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I have been thinking with steadily improving amp modelling and bigger faster computers its only a matter of time before our beloved friends with knobies become obsolete. I give it ten years before the amp and pedal is obsolete. So GG&A how long do you think it will take?
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#2
Oh for gods sake not this again...
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#5
They'll never become obsolete because most players don't like going direct. They'll likely be using guitar cabinets for their physical characteristics. If you're playing through a guitar cabinet, a regular amp isn't that much of a stretch. And why get a modeler when you can have the real thing? Most touring musicians who use an Axe-FX don't even use a lot of amp models. They normally have one basic dirty sound and one basic clean sound. Other patches are just variations of those. They would be fine with 1 or 2 amps. The main advantage of modelling is easy routing of amps and effects.
#6
When was the last time this thread was made? I was saying ten years because either they will surpass tube amps, tastes will change or the electric guitar dies as an instrument due to rappers and Dj's dropping the bass.
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When was the last time this thread was made? I was saying ten years because either they will surpass tube amps, tastes will change or the electric guitar dies as an instrument due to rappers and Dj's dropping the bass.

electric guitar survived through disco. i highly doubt it's going to go extinct as a result of shitstep.
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When was the last time this thread was made? I was saying ten years because either they will surpass tube amps, tastes will change or the electric guitar dies as an instrument due to rappers and Dj's dropping the bass.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1594861&page=1&pp=20

Also, I don't think people will stop playing the guitar. People don't only play guitar to sell lots of records, they play it because it's fun. Even if all new music was electronic, people would still play the guitar for fun. It's fun to jam with a band. And that can't be done with computers. Same with classical music: People still play it even though you can model an orchestra with a computer. It's fun to play an instrument.

And as somebody said, many times people only use a couple of amp models. They really don't need the 100 other amp models because they just find two or three that sound the best. And that's basically the same as buying the real thing. AxeFX costs what? $2000? For the same price (or less) you can get the real thing it models. Though multi FX is really useful for people who need lots of different sounds. But for example I don't need that many sounds. I like my amp's distortion and clean channel and that's all I need. So no, I don't think non-digital amps will completely be replaced by digital stuff.
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#9
Hey you remember that thing called the violin? Of course you do.

Hey you remember that thing called the piano? Oh yeah, that still exists.

It's not like, hey, new genres of music, SAY GOODBYE TO ALL THE OTHER STUFF LOLZ. We still have orchestras, we still have big bands, we still have rock bands and we have new bands too.

Use modelling, don't use modelling, who cares? Shut up.
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#10
An alpha male with a cool guitar, an amp cranked to 11 and a rebel image is essentially integral to the nature and spirit of rock music. So long as there is rock music, there'll always be amps.

Which looks more rock n roll? Reaching over and cranking an amp to 11... or clicking on a mouse?
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An alpha male with a cool guitar, an amp cranked to 11 and a rebel image is essentially integral to the nature and spirit of rock music. So long as there is rock music, there'll always be amps.

Which looks more rock n roll? Reaching over and cranking an amp to 11... or clicking on a mouse?

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Perception! Its all about the perception I'm sure the dude thinks he's an alpha male
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#13
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I have been thinking with steadily improving amp modelling and bigger faster computers its only a matter of time before our beloved friends with knobies become obsolete. I give it ten years before the amp and pedal is obsolete. So GG&A how long do you think it will take?

They will never become "obsolete" per say, it's not like in 10 years you will see the shelves of antique stores lined with guitar gear. I think the technology that goes into building amps and pedals (including developments in analog electronics) will make things that maybe we are used to today seem obsolete. It's always been really progressive.
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You guys aren't even thinking of the possibility that we might blow ourselves up before we reach 10 years so it could be meaningless altogether..
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You guys aren't even thinking of the possibility that we might blow ourselves before we reach 10 years so it could be meaningless altogether..

speak for yourself...
#16
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#17
Genuinely, I think a naturally driven tube amp is significantly better than modelling software. I use both and the dynamics are, as far as I'm concerned significantly better with the real deal. I don't think modelling software with ever be able to capture it.

In saying that - I do enjoy using Guitar Rig e.t.c. because it's nice to have a large amount of tones and choices at your finger tips that are to a high standard.

Also, imagine Slash playing Sweet Child of Mine and 15 seconds into the intro he gets a windows error message pop up or his ASIO for all drivers crash and some nerdy IT technician comes out and starts re-booting his laptop. Not very rock and roll.

ALSO! People chase a lot of vintage tones and there is no convincing some gear heads that modelling is as good as an original 1962 Marshall Bluesbreaker. I'm probably one of those people.
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#18
Pedals will become useless? Pshh, it's not as if anyone would actually want to change their sound on the fly.
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#19
Never. We still have vinyls as well. And that's not because the sound quality would be better.
Same thing with amps, even if the digital modelling stuff would be way more advanced and technically better, they still won't be the same thing, and that's why the amp will survive.

On a side note, I've never heard a modelling amplifier that would sound exactly like the real deal. It always has that little bit of digital sound to it.
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electric guitar survived through disco. i highly doubt it's going to go extinct as a result of shitstep.
+ a very large number.




As far as amps go, some of us are experienced enough to know that you shouldn't trust foldback as your only means of hearing yourself play. I'm not putting my foldback soley into the hands of the sound guy, no matter how good an FX unit I have or what makes it tick.
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Never. We still have vinyls as well. And that's not because the sound quality would be better.


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#24
The better question is when will this thread topic be obsolete.
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The better question is when will this thread topic be obsolete.

It was obsolete before it was even created.

Or is that just Apple?
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#27
When the Earth is destroyed.
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#28
I don't think they will ever become obsolete because people will always want to use them, but with things like the AxeFX and some of the amp simulators sounding so good and getting better I can see people switching over to digital stuff sometime in the future just because of convenience.

Tube amps and pedals are awesome, but they can be a pain in the ass to maintain when tunes burn out or switches wear out. When you can get the same (or really close) sound out of a digital unit that doesn't have to be maintained, why would you bother with anything else?
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#29
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#30
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#32
As long as there are guitarists that like the feeling of turning physical knobs, you're going to sell amps and pedals.

But there are players that prefer DI. Hell, my roommate plays guitar and doesn't own an amp at all. He goes Tele > Pedalboard > DI box > Studio monitors.
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I like knobs.
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#34
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I like knobs.


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#35
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You seem confused? Why would you be confused?

Took me a little bit to get it, sorry.
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#36
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Never. We still have vinyls as well. And that's not because the sound quality would be better.

you don't know any audiophiles.
#37
Guys, we're trying to argue against a brony. I think enough has been said. Let this settle to the abyssal plane of GG&A.
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#38
I dare to say whenever affordable modelling reaches the level of the Axe-FX/Kemper and is userfriendly enough.
Yet still, the actual amps will ALWAYS be the benchmark tones.

Hard to say TBH.
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Guys, we're trying to argue against a brony. I think enough has been said. Let this settle to the abyssal plane of GG&A.

I save my arguements for the pit. Well except when you people recomend 6505s for worship music.
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I save my arguements for the pit. Well except when you people recomend 6505s for worship music.


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