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#1
Is it rare for musicians in the hard rock /pop genre to be "intelligent"?

Do you know any musicians famous or not like this? I know there are probably a number of ways you can define someone as intelligent, but what I mean by intelligent in this case is that they were able to succeed in a respected profession...preferably from a college degree.

Is it so rare for someone to be an epic guitar player in this sort of genre and still be something in life...like a pharmacist, CPA, or someone who is able to do challenging tasks?

Have you ever heard of the epic guitar player that is a pharmacist, or the epic guitar player that is a chemical engineer?
#2
Not really. Brian May for instance.
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Brian May, what a dude
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#7
I don't think they aren't those things because they couldn't be them, they'd just rather be a guitarist for the most part because that kicks those jobs' asses.
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Tom Morello graduated from Harvard with a degree in social studies.
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#11
You seem to be quite unintelligent, TS.

I think 2 of the greatest signs of intelligence are imagination and creativity, so I think most musicians should be quite intelligent. It's just that that tend to spent more time showing it in music rather than finding cures for cancer or explaining the meaning of life.
#13
that doors guy went to ucla and got a film degree or something
that weezer guy went to harvard and wrote an album while he was there
that rage guy went to harvard and now he talks about politics and stuff and people listen to him
that rhcp guy went to ucla and dropped out or something




#14
What everyone aside from OP has said is true, buuuut, there is Emmure.
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1. Intelligence is not quantifiable. CERTAINLY not by the job a person is in.
2. There is a significant difference between creative intelligence, philosophical intelligence, and scientific intelligence.

For example, a chemist may be able to balance equations at the speed of light, but may not be able to creatively enunciate themselves past a stick drawing of an elephant, or a rude limerick.
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#16
Well a absolute ton of bands were formed when the members met at college so I assume they would be intelligent enough to get a degree, I think its more the case that if you become a successful full time musician you don't really have the time for such things as a well respected profession
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1. Intelligence is not quantifiable. CERTAINLY not by the job a person is in.


Someone who can't differentiate between a pig and a cow will surely never make it to the position of full professor in Biology
Ofcourse it's not a perfect correlation, but saying that a job is certainly not an indicator of a person's intelligence is ignorant.
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Someone who can't differentiate between a pig and a cow will surely never make it to the position of full professor in Biology
Ofcourse it's not a perfect correlation, but saying that a job is certainly not an indicator of a person's intelligence is ignorant.
Again, you cannot quantify it. ou can get insight into someone's intelligence but just because someone is in a less "difficult" job does not mean they are less intelligent and doesn't even imply it. While you are correct that a physicist will not be scientifically unintelligent, they, as I say, may be creatively or emotionally unintelligent, and therefore it's not a direct indicator of overall intelligence; merely relying on the social perception that is the assumption that intelligence = ability in subjects perceived to be more difficult.
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Again, you cannot quantify it. ou can get insight into someone's intelligence but just because someone is in a less "difficult" job does not mean they are less intelligent and doesn't even imply it. While you are correct that a physicist will not be scientifically unintelligent, they, as I say, may be creatively or socially unintelligent, and therefore it's not a direct indicator of overall intelligence.


Agreed - but if a person excels in one of these, you could say that they are intelligent to some degree, regardless of their other abilities. Also, I wasn't talking about less difficult jobs, rather than more difficult jobs
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Agreed - but if a person excels in one of these, you could say that they are intelligent to some degree, regardless of their other abilities.
Everybody is intelligent to some degree.

No, you'd have to specify that you are speaking about one specific dimension of intelligence, else you are simply ignoring the other aspects of intelligence relative to the one you are referring to.
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#22
Fair enough. Guess I'm too caught up in the 'social perception'
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#25
I think you are confusing intelligent and educated, friend.

Here's a list of musicians that may not be educated but by all means seem intelligent:
Neil Peart
Geddy Lee
Alex Lifeson(not sure about that one)
Brian May
Freddie Mercury
Maynard James Keenan
Adam Jones
Danny Carry
Robert Fripp
Captain Beefheart
Frank Zappa
Reggie Watts
Josh Homme(despite being a douche)
Sal Balamir
Tosin Abasi
Louis Armstrong
Mark Knopfler
Mike Patton(See Josh Homme)
Vernon Raid
Matt Bellamy
Serj Tankian

And ETC

I may be confusing interesting with intelligent here.

From life experience I can say that one who is educated can be in fact stupid to some degree(however that depends entirely perspective) and vice versa.
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ah yes, educated sounds more like it, I will rephrase the post.


So were you referring to educated musicians or intelligent? The later exists in large quantities(top 10 charts not included), the former...not so much.
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#27
Not having a university degree or a job means being unintelligent? Is that what you're saying TS?
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Not having a university degree or a job means being unintelligent? Is that what you're saying TS?


He said he will rephrase that, I believe he meant educated.
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#31
ok what I am mainly referring to is being educated in academic disciplines.
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I think you are confusing intelligent and educated, friend.

Here's a list of musicians that may not be educated but by all means seem intelligent:

A lot of those has a college degree, in case you didn't know
#34
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Everybody is intelligent to some degree.

No, you'd have to specify that you are speaking about one specific dimension of intelligence, else you are simply ignoring the other aspects of intelligence relative to the one you are referring to.

That's bull man, and you know it. Most people are not intelligent in any manner. I am proof of that.
#35
Most of the guys in Bad Religion have some form of degree, for example Greg Graffin has Masters in Geology from UCLA and a Ph.D. in Zoology from Cornell

Fat Mike from NOFX has a bachelor's degree in Social Science and a minor in Human Sexuality from San Francisco State.

Though like most have said, I wouldn't consider someone being college educated a prerequisite for intelligence. I've met some who make you wonder who the hell thought they deserved a degree and some very smart people that didn't bother with education after high school or didn't go until after they were stable financially decades later.
#36
I went to college for art and had a lot of friends from the music school there. The "arts" type of people all kinda got along well. I'm both.

What I have found about my type of person is that the extremely smart people that are also talented, rarely succeed in the arts. Most of the most talented people i've met in both music and arts, do it now to improve their own quality of life or as an expression to themselves or only a select audience.

The musicians and artists that I always considered inferior for some reason, like one guy in my illustration class that flat out couldn't draw but could toss paint from across the room on a canvas and bs his way through it, or the guitarist who never learned anything but power chords or a single scale, always lend up somehow being the successful ones. Is it because they have more drive out of necessity?

I know a bunch of dudes in bands right now that I grew up or have come to know. None of them are the ones any of us thought would make it in music, when we were younger. And i'll admit, a couple of them are burnouts or just plain ignorant to everything in life but doing cover songs or power chords.

Are they smarter than I am because they made it and I haven't. Sure, i'll give them that. Sometimes intelligence should be gauged in what one does with however little they have.
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I went to college for art and had a lot of friends from the music school there. The "arts" type of people all kinda got along well. I'm both.

What I have found about my type of person is that the extremely smart people that are also talented, rarely succeed in the arts. Most of the most talented people i've met in both music and arts, do it now to improve their own quality of life or as an expression to themselves or only a select audience.

The musicians and artists that I always considered inferior for some reason, like one guy in my illustration class that flat out couldn't draw but could toss paint from across the room on a canvas and bs his way through it, or the guitarist who never learned anything but power chords or a single scale, always lend up somehow being the successful ones. Is it because they have more drive out of necessity?

I know a bunch of dudes in bands right now that I grew up or have come to know. None of them are the ones any of us thought would make it in music, when we were younger. And i'll admit, a couple of them are burnouts or just plain ignorant to everything in life but doing cover songs or power chords.

Are they smarter than I am because they made it and I haven't. Sure, i'll give them that. Sometimes intelligence should be gauged in what one does with however little they have.

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#38
I think it's rare for people in general to be intelligent, these days.
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A lot of those has a college degree, in case you didn't know


Indeed they do, but that was a list of people who seem intelligent, not educated.

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You have to be somewhat intelligent to say that you are not.
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You have to be somewhat intelligent to say that you are not.

Naw, just in touch with reality. I can understand that I am, in fact, a moron. However, if we follow the idiom "stupid is as stupid does" then I am actually ******ed.
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