#1
Hi. I've researched guitar pedals with some help from the Ultimate Guitar
Forum and online blogs. Previously, until three months ago, never really
used pedals. Sought clean tones by using vintage Fender amps,
Fender guitars and a couple of 1960s Fender reverb tanks.
So, pedals are new. Seeking dirty and heavy metal rock sounds.


Of course there are better/worse and more/less expensive pedals. Following are
recently purchased pedals, chosen for a variety of reasons. Mostly to experiment
with and better understand which effects fit my playing style. Later I can sell
and get more expensive pedals. My latest chain order is the following:


Guitar = Fender Strat or Tele
Tuner = Korg Pedal
Wah Expression Pedal = Dunlop Crybaby
Envelope Filter = EHX Tube Zipper
Compressor = EHX Black Finger
Distortion Type Options:
* Digitech Multi Chorus
* BBE Leslie Soul Vibe
* MXR M-115 Distortion III
Octave Down = Rocktron Octave Octaver
Octave Up = Chicago Stompworks Octave Up
EQ = Boss GE-7
Boost/Overdrive = ISP Technologies Totally Blues or MXR MC-401
Delay = Wampler Faux Tape Echo Pedal
Tremolo = Boss TR-2 Tremolo Pedal
Noise Suppression = MXR NS-2 or Zoom ZNR Noise Reduction
Volume Expression Pedal = 1974 DeArmond 1602
Attenuator = Tonesonics Rocket Launcher
Amp = Fender Vintage Amps


Questions for comment:
Of course I can pick what I like, but want to know chain order(s) others
like to use and why. For instance, do you like:
1) the Tremolo before or after Delay/Echo?
2) Octave Up or Down before or after Distortion MXR M-115?
3) EQ before or after Boost/Overdrive?



I've tried all the variations . . . . want to know what order you choose.
Thanks.


.
Last edited by Toppscore at May 3, 2013,
#2
Quote by SimplyBen
That's the advantage of being such a distance from Yianni. I can continue to live my life without fear of stumbling upon his dark terror.


Quote by Toppscore
NakedInTheRain aka "Naked with shriveled pencil sized bacon In The Rain"
#3
Trem before delay, octave before dirt, EQ after boost/OD as well.


Now, lets sit back...
#4
firstly, ditch all your modulation and get a strymon mobius.

secondly, ditch all your dirt pedals and get a triple rectifier (the amp, not the method of converting alternating current to direct current).

thirdly, ditch all your amps, pedals, and guitars, and take up acoustic.

fourthly, fly to bali and try and smuggle weed in a boogieboard bag. it'll be funny, i promise.

lastly, make like a tree.
#5
I use this as a general rule of thumb:
>Guitar
>Tuner
>EQ's (like wah and filter effects, and of course actual graphic/panoramic equalizers)
>Dynamics (stuff like compressors/limiters)
>Distortions/Fuzzes/Overdrives
>Modulation effects (chorus, flanger, phaser etc)
>Pitch-based effects (octavers and whatnot)
>Level control (volume pedal)
>Time-based effects (delay + reverb)
>Noise gate
>Amp

All the inbetween stuff is up to the individual - like which order to put multiple pedals of the same category. Also, EQ pedals can go anywhere depending on how you want to use them - like cutting/boosting particular frequencies of a certain effect...or just the regular tone shaping at the start of your chain. Just play around with stuff.

Also
Last edited by UnmagicMushroom at May 3, 2013,
#6
Since no one else has mentioned this, assuming you have a effects loop on your amp, the placement of effects before and after preamp matter, so here is my mods to the General rule of thumb list:
>Guitar
>Tuner
>Pitch-based effects like harmonizers
>Wah and filter effects
>Modulation effects (chorus, flanger, phaser etc)
>compressor or limiter
>Distortions/Fuzzes/Overdrives
>>>>AMP INPUT
--------preamp
<<<<Effect SEND
>Noise gate
>delay
>Tremolo
>>>>Effect RETURN
>>>>>Amp reverb
<<<speaker

EQs and Volume pedals can happen ANYWHERE (watch that the type of volume pedal is correct though)

Back to the OP questions:
Of course I can pick what I like, but want to know chain order(s) others
like to use and why. For instance, do you like:
1) the Tremolo before or after Delay/Echo? (Doesn't matter, question yourself if you turn on Tremolo and Delay at the same time)
2) Octave Up or Down before or after Distortion MXR M-115? Pitch should be the first thing after the guitar, period, so yes before
3) EQ before or after Boost/Overdrive? Again, EQ is applicable ANYWHERE. Remember the old rule of thumb, that EQ is the BEST WAY TO RUIN YOUR TONE (unless you use it lightly and carefully

That said, although I have a killer MFX box, and in the past had nearly every kind of stompbox available, I have to say I am in a purist cycle of just digging plugging my guitar into a tube amp and getting distortion and reverb there. And maybe a delay box in the efx loop. The rest of the effects are just tone suckers.

But there are no absolutes!!!! Play with it .
#7
I usually put modulation in the effects loop too. Also my EQ pedal seems better in the FX loop too, is that where most people put them?
#8
There's quite a few blogs on the interwebs that answer all your questions already. But then again this is about making music....which is all subjective. Do what sounds right.
Gibson Les Paul Studio
Highway One Telecaster
Dean Evo
Mesa F-50
Laney GH50L
Vox AC30 C2
Ampeg V2
pedals
#9
I put all my fuzzes in the effects loop. Makes 'em extra grindy if ya feel? I also run my phaser in the loop of the mixing board I'm running into so I can do whole band phasing, for added psychodelia.
#10
when i had a larger pedal board this is the general order of the pedals mind you were not all on the board at the same time

guitar>
buffer(if i had enough pedals to affectthe tone)
then tuner
any pitch effects(if i had any)
eq(sometimes here)
wah(and envleope filters and such)
compressors
phasey flangey effects(to taste)
clean boost(to boost the followingas they werent set for extreme values)
gain box 1(often a fuzz)
gain box 2(has for th emost part been a joyo ultamitedrive fr the last few years)
gain box 3(often a pedal using a tube such an an english muffn)
volume pedal
>amp

fxout>
chorus
delay
phasey flangey stuff sometimes
eq
noise suppresor
<ampin
>cabinet(s)


i alo want to experiment with having a stereo rig but for now it would be overkill haah

edit^never thought of trying that i shall eventually
Last edited by supersac at May 3, 2013,
#12
I have four pedals so
Dirt
EQ
Delay
Chorus
RG351DX - Bridge Dragonfire Screamer, Mid+Neck Fender Hot Noiseless
Peavey Valveking 112 - Eminence GB128
AMT E1 > Joyo AC Tone > Dan'o EQ > Shimverb > Digidelay
#13
Quote by chip46
And convert light energy into chemical energy, then bask in its sugary goodness?


No, he means grow fruit/seeds and disperse them via various methods; i.e., wind transport, gravity, the intestines of animals, etc.
Gibson Les Paul Studio
Highway One Telecaster
Dean Evo
Mesa F-50
Laney GH50L
Vox AC30 C2
Ampeg V2
pedals
#15
Quote by LaidBack
No, he means grow fruit/seeds and disperse them via various methods; i.e., wind transport, gravity, the intestines of animals, etc.


Which he would do by converting sunlight into chemical energy................Think man
RG351DX - Bridge Dragonfire Screamer, Mid+Neck Fender Hot Noiseless
Peavey Valveking 112 - Eminence GB128
AMT E1 > Joyo AC Tone > Dan'o EQ > Shimverb > Digidelay
#16
Quote by chip46
And convert light energy into chemical energy, then bask in its sugary goodness?

It's light > ELECTRICAL > chemical you ****ing ****.
Quote by SimplyBen
That's the advantage of being such a distance from Yianni. I can continue to live my life without fear of stumbling upon his dark terror.


Quote by Toppscore
NakedInTheRain aka "Naked with shriveled pencil sized bacon In The Rain"
#20
Quote by telemetal
Trem before delay, octave before dirt, EQ after boost/OD as well. Now, lets sit back...

Thanks. I like the EQ after boost.
My EQ has a boost effect, anyway.
Much appreciated.
#21
Quote by UnmagicMushroom
I use this as a general rule of thumb:
>Guitar
>Tuner
>EQ's (like wah and filter effects, and of course actual graphic/panoramic equalizers)
>Dynamics (stuff like compressors/limiters)
>Distortions/Fuzzes/Overdrives
>Modulation effects (chorus, flanger, phaser etc)
>Pitch-based effects (octavers and whatnot)
>Level control (volume pedal)
>Time-based effects (delay + reverb)
>Noise gate
>Amp


Thanks. Notes taken.
#22
Quote by cincycosmo
Since no one else has mentioned this, assuming you have a effects loop on your amp, the placement of effects before and after preamp matter, so here is my mods to the General rule of thumb list:
>Guitar
>Tuner
>Pitch-based effects like harmonizers
>Wah and filter effects
>Modulation effects (chorus, flanger, phaser etc)
>compressor or limiter
>Distortions/Fuzzes/Overdrives
>>>>AMP INPUT
--------preamp
<<<<Effect SEND
>Noise gate
>delay
>Tremolo
>>>>Effect RETURN
>>>>>Amp reverb
<<<speaker

EQs and Volume pedals can happen ANYWHERE (watch that the type of volume pedal is correct though)

Back to the OP questions:
Of course I can pick what I like, but want to know chain order(s) others
like to use and why. For instance, do you like:
1) the Tremolo before or after Delay/Echo? (Doesn't matter, question yourself if you turn on Tremolo and Delay at the same time)
2) Octave Up or Down before or after Distortion MXR M-115? Pitch should be the first thing after the guitar, period, so yes before
3) EQ before or after Boost/Overdrive? Again, EQ is applicable ANYWHERE. Remember the old rule of thumb, that EQ is the BEST WAY TO RUIN YOUR TONE (unless you use it lightly and carefully
That said, although I have a killer MFX box, and in the past had nearly every kind of stompbox available, I have to say I am in a purist cycle of just digging plugging my guitar into a tube amp and getting distortion and reverb there. And maybe a delay box in the efx loop. The rest of the effects are just tone suckers.


Thanks. All my amps are vintage Fender from 1954-1968. No effects loop there.
Seems like you have your noise suppression and clean effects last.
I definitely will test distortion with reveb, but will probably by-pass
distortion when I use echo/delay/sustain.

I do like my volume expression pedal as the last pedal for overall volume
management ~ and having a tube booster pedal after the distortion pedal.
Much appreciated.
#23
Quote by LaidBack
There's quite a few blogs on the interwebs that answer all your questions already. But then again this is about making music....which is all subjective. Do what sounds right.



Yes, Laidback. Just checking what some members do.
I have seen plenty of strategies online, . . . . .
like you say, it's all subjective. But fun.
#24
Quote by Dan_5893
I put all my fuzzes in the effects loop. Makes 'em extra grindy if ya feel? I also run my phaser in the loop of the mixing board I'm running into so I can do whole band phasing, for added psychodelia.


Dan. Do you use any Soul Vibe or Leslie Rotator Wah pedals/stomp boxes?
for your psychedelic effects? If so, which ones and in what order?
Thanks.
#25
Quote by supersac
when i had a larger pedal board this is the general order of the pedals mind you were not all on the board at the same time
guitar>
buffer(if i had enough pedals to affectthe tone)
then tuner
any pitch effects(if i had any)
eq(sometimes here)
wah(and envleope filters and such)
compressors
phasey flangey effects(to taste)
clean boost(to boost the followingas they werent set for extreme values)
gain box 1(often a fuzz)
gain box 2(has for th emost part been a joyo ultamitedrive fr the last few years)
gain box 3(often a pedal using a tube such an an english muffn)
volume pedal
>amp
fxout>
chorus
delay
phasey flangey stuff sometimes
eq
noise suppresor
<ampin
>cabinet(s)



Thanks, SuperSac. Notes taken.
So you put your wah/filters after the pitch effects and the EQ . . . .
more towards the middle and not the first thing.
I will try this tomorrow.
#26
Quote by tas38
I have four pedals so
Dirt
EQ
Delay
Chorus


Tas38. Thanks.
I'd like to get down to a few, myself. But, just experimenting for now.

I'm thinking of two pedalboards ~
* One for clean rockabilly/surf with very few clean pedal effects
running into my 1962 Fender reverb tank unit and then into a vintage amp.

* The bigger pedal board for all of the crazy stuff,
like a mad scientist's lab
#27
Quote by Toppscore
Dan. Do you use any Soul Vibe or Leslie Rotator Wah pedals/stomp boxes?
for your psychedelic effects? If so, which ones and in what order?
Thanks.


No. I'm ginger, so using any effects with "Soul" in their names is prohibited and against my non-existent morals.
#28
Quote by Dan_5893
No. I'm ginger, so using any effects with "Soul" in their names is prohibited and against my non-existent morals.


#30
Quote by Dan_5893
No. I'm ginger, so using any effects with "Soul" in their names is prohibited and against my non-existent morals.


OK! You be Ginger, I'll take Tina Louise
There's got to be a bit of Soul Vibe on Gilligan's Island
#31
i have an experimentalish mini rig going, and its working out quite well.

70's(or around there) ampeg as an amp. i have no foots switch so i have never heard the dirt channel (hence paying $30 for it) i converted it into a head and cab from combo, i am working on a 1x15" at the time. it is being ran through a shitty English M70. has excellent spring reverb but no loop, cleans are beautiful.

guitar>zendrive>pitch black*>proctavia>electric mistress(stereo model)> microvibe>malekko616>amp (with quite a bit of reverb). fun sounds.

i use this with both my musicman HD212 130w (model with tube PI) as well, just depends what i want to be plugging into.

*i put the tuner after the zendrive because the zendrive is extremely touch sensitive and response, i don't' want anything robbing the signal of the guitar into it.
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#32
i would love to see some pictures of those sexy fenders you have got there. i am a sucker for blackfaces.
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#33
Quote by trashedlostfdup
guitar>zendrive>pitch black*>proctavia>electric mistress(stereo model)> microvibe>malekko616>amp (with quite a bit of reverb). fun sounds. *i put the tuner after the zendrive because the zendrive is extremely touch sensitive and response, i don't' want anything robbing the signal of the guitar into it.


Had not heard of the ZenDrive. Following are a few online quotes: "I recently bought both the Zendrive and Mosferatu and am considering selling all my other pedals. This stuff is incredible." "The Zendrive, is THE BEST O.D. period." "As good as the Zendrive is....and it's amazing! The Zendrive 2 is blowing me away!!" "Yeah. Its a killer . We are very lucky to have access to the Zendrive #2. I love it, but still use the original for lighter gain, The #2 is just in a different league tonally." "Zendrive is more Dumble sounding .... Believe it or not."


I'm interested. Will have to review some YouTube demos & comparisons.
Trashed, why do you like the Zendrive? compared to other ODs? Thanks.


Following are the ODs I own and am testing through.
Seeking to keep three and sell the rest.
* DigiTech Hardwire CM-2 Overdrive Pedal
* EHX Electro Harmonix Hot Tubes with two 12AX7's
* ISP Technologies Totally Blues
* Tube Works BK Butler “Real Tube 12AX7 Overdrive”
* 12AX7B Tube/Valve Distortion Booster
* 12AU7 Tube/Valve Overdrive Booster

. . . . but, from reviews I've read online, will definitely check out the Zendrive.
Thanks again
Last edited by Toppscore at May 6, 2013,
#34
Quote by trashedlostfdup
i would love to see some pictures of those sexy fenders you have got there. i am a sucker for blackfaces.


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1954 Fender 5D6 4x10 Bassman
1960 Fender 6G4 2x10 Super Amp
1964 Fender Blackface 4x10 Super Reverb
1983 Highly modified Paul Rivera & Lee Jackson designed 1x12 Concert II



*** Just sold the 1964 2x12 Blackface Fender Twin Reverb for $4200
The 1964 Blackface Super Reverb is in the same immaculate condition.
Last edited by Toppscore at May 6, 2013,