#1
I'm looking at getting a Boss Harmonist pedal. It has a "key" knob on it which you can use to select the key you want to harmonize in and its got all keys from A to G...what I don't understand is if you tried to play in a key that wasn't the one you'd selected, what would happen to the sound?

Heres a picture of the pedal so you can see the controls

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=boss%20harmonist&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.d2k&biw=1680&bih=959&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=b9qLUZn2JIeTOJjLgKgC#imgrc=07Z3aonWH50zlM%3A%3BDPNNgMY2MLO29M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.effectpowersupplies.com%252Fekmps%252Fshops%252Fstompbox%252Fimages%252Fboss-ps-6-harmonist-free-delivery-1415-p.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.effectpowersupplies.com%252Fboss-ps-6-harmonist-1415-p.asp%3B879%3B879

maybe I'm completely missing the point, sorry if I am. I basically want it so I can simply click the pedal on during a solo and get a sound like this, and then at the end of the solo click off the pedal and go back to playing riffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDKtzwPkwAs
#2
It literally plays in the wrong key. The reason it has specific keys is because of the harmonics it's using. If you play out of key, the harmonics still "work", but it uses the wrong root, which makes it sound out of key (which it is to begin with). Simply put, make sure your in the right key, and DO NOT **** up with it on.
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#6
Ok thanks, that video helped me a lot to understand how it would work with the keys...but basically I am looking for a harmoniser pedal that I can just set to one type of harmony and then just sort of play in any key and it will do the right harmony, because I would use it live and often play solos in different keys in the same song, and wouldn't want to have to stoop down and change the setting on the pedal during songs. But does a pedal that does that even exist?

I was looking at this as well, the Digitech Whammy pedal, It doesen't seem to have the knob that chooses the key on it...just has the harmonies you can do, here's a picture of it...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=digitech%20whammy&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.d2k&biw=1680&bih=959&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=AwaMUbXlCo3EPJPNgaAI#imgrc=V67LPNFWEdhdHM%3A%3Bb2ZcMAfaYjRXuM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fs4f213ce5d345d.img.gostorego.com%252F802754%252Fcdn%252Fmedia%252Fs4%252Ff2%252F13%252Fce%252F5d%252F34%252F5d%252Fcatalog%252Fproduct%252Fcache%252F1%252Fimage%252F9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%252Fd%252Fi%252Fdigitech-whammy_1_1.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.rockstoponline.com%252Fdigitech-whammy-5th-gen.html%3B1183%3B1397

would this one work the way I wanted it to?

Is it what is known as an "intelligent harmonizer" ? I honestly have no clue what that means or anything about harmonizers but maybe someone can help me out. thanks
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You don't need one that chooses a key...
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Quote by kerkhammet
Ok thanks, that video helped me a lot to understand how it would work with the keys...but basically I am looking for a harmoniser pedal that I can just set to one type of harmony and then just sort of play in any key and it will do the right harmony, because I would use it live and often play solos in different keys in the same song, and wouldn't want to have to stoop down and change the setting on the pedal during songs. But does a pedal that does that even exist?

I was looking at this as well, the Digitech Whammy pedal, It doesen't seem to have the knob that chooses the key on it...just has the harmonies you can do, here's a picture of it...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=digitech%20whammy&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.d2k&biw=1680&bih=959&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=AwaMUbXlCo3EPJPNgaAI#imgrc=V67LPNFWEdhdHM%3A%3Bb2ZcMAfaYjRXuM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fs4f213ce5d345d.img.gostorego.com%252F802754%252Fcdn%252Fmedia%252Fs4%252Ff2%252F13%252Fce%252F5d%252F34%252F5d%252Fcatalog%252Fproduct%252Fcache%252F1%252Fimage%252F9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%252Fd%252Fi%252Fdigitech-whammy_1_1.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.rockstoponline.com%252Fdigitech-whammy-5th-gen.html%3B1183%3B1397

would this one work the way I wanted it to?

Is it what is known as an "intelligent harmonizer" ? I honestly have no clue what that means or anything about harmonizers but maybe someone can help me out. thanks

I'm pretty sure that kind of pedal doesn't exist. It should be able to hear the chords you are playing over and hear the key from the chord progression. And you need to play more than just one chord to know the key you are in so the harmonizer should kind of predict what you are going to play. Though I think there are harmonizers that can recognize the chord you are playing and only harmonize with the chord tones but I think they are for vocals and not guitar.

Maybe you could use two harmonizers that you set in different keys and turn them on when you change the key. You can of course set a pedal to harmonize in major or minor thirds only but that will just sound strange.
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I'm pretty sure that kind of pedal doesn't exist. It should be able to hear the chords you are playing over and hear the key from the chord progression. And you need to play more than just one chord to know the key you are in so the harmonizer should kind of predict what you are going to play. Though I think there are harmonizers that can recognize the chord you are playing and only harmonize with the chord tones but I think they are for vocals and not guitar.

Maybe you could use two harmonizers that you set in different keys and turn them on when you change the key. You can of course set a pedal to harmonize in major or minor thirds only but that will just sound strange.


ok thanks man, that last bit about the major or minor thirds, why would that sound strange?
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Quote by kerkhammet
ok thanks man, that last bit about the major or minor thirds, why would that sound strange?

Because when you harmonize a scale in thirds, there are both major and minor thirds.

For example C major scale harmonized in thirds:

C E = major third
D F = minor third
E G = minor third
F A = major third
G B = major third
A C = minor third
B D = minor third

And if all thirds were major or minor, you would get a really strange sound. You can try it. Play C major scale and harmonize it with only major or minor thirds. It will sound like you are playing wrong notes.

As I said, if you need to change key in a song and need harmonized parts, you need to have two pedals (or a pedal that has presets - pretty much a multi FX).
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