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#1
Hails to you. GG&A gods. I used to troll these pages years ago. And from all that trolling I've learned about tone. I am currently running a 6505 and a carvin v30 412. I play modern metal/death metal. And I love my rig but I can't always take it with me. And anyone who has had to use back line will agree. I am basically looking to build a pedal board to use at backline shows. Something I can plug into any amp and get "my sound". Or as close to it.

Basically which distortion pedals don't suck! I would like to keep it under 150. I also need a delay. Wah. And pitch shift. I would like to keep each pedal under 150 or so.


Thank you for any help.
#2
Delay- TC flashback, Malekko Ekko, carbon copy.

Wampler has a few decent dirt pedals. Bogner just released a few as well.
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#3
Agreed, bogners are good. Also, Boss Metal Zone, I think it's the only decent pedal they have. I also have a Marshall Shredmaster, they're discontinued but you can find used ones online. They have great control over tone.
#4
Quote by TheGuitarGuyBr
Agreed, bogners are good. Also, Boss Metal Zone, I think it's the only decent pedal they have. I also have a Marshall Shredmaster, they're discontinued but you can find used ones online. They have great control over tone.

Everything you just said is now incorrect.
Even the parts that are true.

The metalzone is the WORST pedal they have.

Their best is the CE-2

Best distortion?
Suhr Riot.
Hands down
#5
Boss Metalzones only sound good when you stack them. Also AMT Drive
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#6
Digitech Hardwire TL-2 metal pedal seems to be very good, but I havent heard one live, only clips. Still, check it out.

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#7
Why not get a small head you can take?

Look at the Krank Rev Jr/K-stein Jr, they are $300ish used and only weigh 20lbs. I have the 1980 Jr and it is 20watts that are loud as hell. I play in a Prog-metal b and and normally use a Marshall JCM2000 DSL100, the 1980 Jr easily keeps up with a Mesa Recto 1/2 stack and an Ampeg SVT-3 with 8x10 and drums. I have the amps volume just over 1/2 and I can be heard just fine.

If you need a pedal, AMT Legend series pedals or the New Bogner red and blue pedals are really nice
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#8
Quote by darkwolf291
Everything you just said is now incorrect.
Even the parts that are true.

The metalzone is the WORST pedal they have.

Their best is the CE-2

Best distortion?
Suhr Riot.
Hands down


MT-2 is not that bad.
#9
Quote by JackovSlayer
MT-2 is not that bad.

It is for anything other than death metal.
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#10
If you want wah, check out dunlop crybaby wahs, something like 535Q will surely satisfy you. If I was buying delay, I would try MXR carbon copy, maybe some boss digital delay pedals, I saw a lot of people using them.
#11
Quote by Robbgnarly
It is for anything other than death metal.


Well, he plays thrash/death. I have MT-2, I don't think it's the best pedal around, but I still think you can get some good sounds out of it.
#12
Hm-2>mt-2
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#13
Quote by Gene-Ocide
Hm-2>mt-2



As standalone distortion, nah. Supplementing good amp distortion, oh yes!

ESP LTD F-50 + Tonezone
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Line6 Pod X3
#14
A Proco turbo rat is a good choice works well with most amps. A Jekyll and Hyde isn't a bad choice either plus you get a 808 clone for your 6505. Wahs are really a preference and what are you looking for in a pitch shifter
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#15
Just get a POD HD500 and run it into the return of whatever amp you have to use, or straight into the PA. You will never get any amount of consistency trying to run a standalone pedal into the front of some random amp.

Quote by darkwolf291
Everything you just said is now incorrect.
Even the parts that are true.

The metalzone is the WORST pedal they have.

Their best is the CE-2

Best distortion?
Suhr Riot.
Hands down


The MT-2 is better than the Metalcore pedal. At least the Metalzone has SOME semblance of mids.
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#16
What sort of gigs are you playing where you can't take your own rig? I'm not saying that it doesn't happen but I've never experienced it myself. In fact, if a venue told me I couldn't I simply wouldn't play there.
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#17
Quote by Robbgnarly
It is for anything other than death metal.
Don't insult death metal like that. Ugh, I just can't stand the metal zone for anything other than a boost. With the gain down low, it can boost a good amp into death metal sexiness, but when it's alone it sounds like digitalized crap.

Quote by Offworld92
Just get a POD HD500 and run it into the return of whatever amp you have to use, or straight into the PA. You will never get any amount of consistency trying to run a standalone pedal into the front of some random amp.

This is the best advice in the thread.
#18
Quote by Offworld92
Just get a POD HD500 and run it into the return of whatever amp you have to use, or straight into the PA. You will never get any amount of consistency trying to run a standalone pedal into the front of some random amp.



THE BEST ADVICE OF THIS THREAD....
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#19
Quote by Offworld92
Just get a POD HD500 and run it into the return of whatever amp you have to use, or straight into the PA. You will never get any amount of consistency trying to run a standalone pedal into the front of some random amp.


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#20
ooo. like this. will be brainstorming. 150 cuts out a lot fo top end stuff, but still allows solid pedals. finding the best GOOD distortions and delays for 150 is a challenge....

keyword good. and unique.
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#21
Ditch the 4x12 for a 2x12.
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#22
Quote by Cathbard
What sort of gigs are you playing where you can't take your own rig? I'm not saying that it doesn't happen but I've never experienced it myself. In fact, if a venue told me I couldn't I simply wouldn't play there.


It's happened to me once because 5 bands were on a bill and they wanted people to use the same amp to save time on sound checking and setup. The amps they provided were a Dual Rec and a JCM 2000 DSL tho so I sure as hell didn't complain . Could still use my pedals tho
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#23
Sounds dreadfully amateurish to me.
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#24
Quote by JackovSlayer
If you want wah, check out dunlop crybaby wahs, something like 535Q will surely satisfy you.


535Q is a fantastic wah, but not in this case. It can't handle the gain. I use an OCD as my main OD/distortion in a ska-punk band and if I use my wah in conjunction with it I can't get a response out of it.

If you're looking into Crybabies I suggest looking into the Kirk Hammet and Zakk Wylde sig models. Or Morley's. I've never played one but I've been told that they can handle gain pretty well.

Also, +1 to the Bogner red box distortion. It's pretty cool.
#26
Quote by Cathbard
Sounds dreadfully amateurish to me.


Yeah I guess. It was weird since it's like one of the biggest Punk/Rock/Metal venues in Edmonton.
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#27
Quote by Wrst_Plyr_Evr
535Q is a fantastic wah, but not in this case. It can't handle the gain.


I wouldn't say that's true. I saw a lot of people who play metal and use it, I think Dimebag Darrell's signature crybaby was actually based on a 535Q.
#28
Quote by JackovSlayer
If you want wah, check out dunlop crybaby wahs, something like 535Q will surely satisfy you. If I was buying delay, I would try MXR carbon copy, maybe some boss digital delay pedals, I saw a lot of people using them.


I have the 535q and I don't really like it. I bought it for the sake of needing a wah and wish I would have tried a few out before buying. I much prefer the MC404 from MXR after getting a chance to try one. Try a few out if possible.

I have the MXR carbon copy, and it's a nice pedal, I use it often. Really can't go wrong with it.
#29
Quote by scguitarking927
I have the 535q and I don't really like it. I bought it for the sake of needing a wah and wish I would have tried a few out before buying. I much prefer the MC404 from MXR after getting a chance to try one. Try a few out if possible.

I have the MXR carbon copy, and it's a nice pedal, I use it often. Really can't go wrong with it.


Did you try to get a good sound using those knobs on 535Q?
#30
Quote by scguitarking927
I have the 535q and I don't really like it. I bought it for the sake of needing a wah and wish I would have tried a few out before buying. I much prefer the MC404 from MXR after getting a chance to try one. Try a few out if possible.

I have the MXR carbon copy, and it's a nice pedal, I use it often. Really can't go wrong with it.


The only problem I have with it is that when I'm recording sometimes it clips even if I have the boost all the way off. Other than that I like it. I got it for like, $60 so I can't complain much.

Also, +1 to the Carbon Copy. It's a nifty analog pedal. I'm also a fan of the Boss DD pedals. Except I think the DD-7 is like, $160 so that's kind of reaching out there.
#31
on the cheap end, mooer pedals, EHX memory toy (vintage analog), red witch 7 sisters violet, BOSS, aqua puss (analog), Carl Martin Red Repeat, CMAT MODS delay (digitally modeled analog?), malekko 616, carbon copy, TC flashback.

with a $150 hard stop thats about as good as you can find. delays are expensive, really hard to get top quality less than 200 and on the high end 250+

there...have fun on youtube.

OD.....thats harder. ocean to sift through.
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#32
Quote by evmac
It's happened to me once because 5 bands were on a bill and they wanted people to use the same amp to save time on sound checking and setup. The amps they provided were a Dual Rec and a JCM 2000 DSL tho so I sure as hell didn't complain . Could still use my pedals tho



5 bands on a bill seems alot. Go with a modelling pedal like the Pod HD. Keep your patches. And just bring your amp anyway. Promoters aren't as hard to convince face to face as they are over the internet.
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#33
Thank you guys for all the ideas and help!!! Ok it seems those of you who understand what I'm doing have a good idea with the pod HD. I'm going to look into that. As much as I hate going all digital it should clean up nice in a fx loop of a tube amp. And ya it's not even a "you can't use your amp" thing. It's just that sometimes it's all back lined to save time between bands. Or it's a out of town gig and it makes it easier for travel. Also as for the q wah I've found it adds to much fizz gain.
But thanks again for everyone's help. One other thing. I have a line on a egnatet tour master 4100 that I can't go try until next week( STUCK AT WORK!) What do y'all think of these. I can't find many reviews on them in regards to metal tones.
#34
I use a rack unit - the Digitech GSP1101 for this very reason- it awesome. When I use my rig it has all my delays, choruses, etc and when I have to use back line, I turn on the Amp and Cab modeling. I have to banks of presets the are identical - one has no amp/cab and the other does - all the patch numbers line up so it's easy to remember. So with my rig its patches 10-19 and without (back line) it's 20-29
In fact it's so bad ass I use it to rehearse with - we're using a JamHub, so for rehearsal I go direct out of it to the JamHub and then on the road it's either just my effects or my entire rig.
I use an Egnater Armageddon btw, and it's not hard if you spend a little time with the processor to get a good simulated tone.
You can get those Digi's used all the time in your price range.
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#35
Quote by Cathbard
What sort of gigs are you playing where you can't take your own rig? I'm not saying that it doesn't happen but I've never experienced it myself. In fact, if a venue told me I couldn't I simply wouldn't play there.


Any real touring professional musician including bigger name national recording acts will tell you how difficult it is sometimes to travel with ALL of there gear. This is espescially true when you do not have a lot of funding to pay for the extra travel expenses of hauling a lot of gear and luggage so it is very common for clubs to provide a backline of ampflifiers, drums, PA, etc etc for bands to use when they play at there venue. We would all much rather use our own rigs of course, but sometimes on the road that is just not feasible. Your lucky if you can even bring more then one guitar and a few pedals.

But anyway, So far the best idea is the POD IMO. Lots of flexibility and economy in all departments.
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#36
if i was going digital...instead of buying a stage worthy amp and a stage worthy multi FX or all digital units....

i would just buy an Axe FX. sure its a nice chuck O change. but adding up the sum of the above scenario will be equal to or so to it.....and AXE FX is PRO LEVEL gear.....a pod is...well, still marginally acceptable (when compared to Axe FX quality).

pound per pound if your going all digital and super portable for touring, Axe FX almost pays for itself (if you can pony up the dough)
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#37
Quote by ikey_
if i was going digital...instead of buying a stage worthy amp and a stage worthy multi FX or all digital units....

i would just buy an Axe FX. sure its a nice chuck O change. but adding up the sum of the above scenario will be equal to or so to it.....and AXE FX is PRO LEVEL gear.....a pod is...well, still marginally acceptable (when compared to Axe FX quality).

pound per pound if your going all digital and super portable for touring, Axe FX almost pays for itself (if you can pony up the dough)


price has came down a lot on the first series. of course AXE 2 is better, but i would take any axe 1 over a pod.

if it were me i would go 11r, i like how they work with protools (i know that some don't like that), but i have a community college that has a certification degree (15 cr/hr) with protools. i will do it one of these semesters.

as if 5 years of school and three degrees hasn't been enough, but it will be worth it once i get my home studio assembled at some point.

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#38
Quote by TheCalvinator
Any real touring professional musician including bigger name national recording acts will tell you how difficult it is sometimes to travel with ALL of there gear. This is espescially true when you do not have a lot of funding to pay for the extra travel expenses of hauling a lot of gear and luggage so it is very common for clubs to provide a backline of ampflifiers, drums, PA, etc etc for bands to use when they play at there venue. We would all much rather use our own rigs of course, but sometimes on the road that is just not feasible. Your lucky if you can even bring more then one guitar and a few pedals.

That's a bit different to being told that you're not allowed to. **** that noise.


And yeah - Pod HD.
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#39
sometimes you don't want to run the backline, so you should bring your shit.

i was playing somewhere in orlando, and was told that they provided the amps and it was about two hours from my house. i bought my dual terror just in case, not bad sounding, really light , really small and not a hassle. guess what the back line was full of. 100 watt MG halfstacks. seriously. i told the sound guy i wasn't going to play on one of those, and luckily he had no problem mixing in the orange. however, my rhythm guitarist was on an MG. it was terrible.

he learned his lesson and picked up a valve king in case of emergency.

i saw a backline of MG's somewhere else too.
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#40
It's unheard of over here. Most places don't even have a PA.
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