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#1
So the time is ripe, I have to get a new amp. I'm starting to do gigs and need a different solution than my Microcube RX or amps I borrow from friends. I have the plan to gradually upgrade my complete Rig (which really isn't great) and will start with the amp. My local store has proposed a marshall ma 50c for 500, but i am torn since it really gets much hate around forums (some people love it though)
Ok so here are the infos for you guys

Budget: unfortunately my financial situation isn't amazing so I'll say about 500 euros

Genres: Well I listen to many different kinds of music, but I definetely want to have a good clean tone (for Jazzy stuff) and a good slightly overdriven crunch. A nice warm overdrive, like paul kossoff would be nice too, but not that important. Lastly I like metal as well, so if the amp could do classical metal, or hard rock (Blackmore) that would be cool, but not really necessary. I suppose I could achieve those last two things with pedals though

New or Used: I prefer New, because the used market where I live is extremely small and I don't know any stores selling used gear. I have made bad experiences with buying online, so that is unless necessary, not an option either

Home or Gigging: Now, I will certainly playing gigs, so it will have to be loud enough for a small to medium sized hall (whatever a school venue is called ). Quiet enough for playing at home is nice, but my house is detached so that isn't the problem.

Closest City: Brussels

Current Gear: Ibby Gsa60 (told you my gear isn't great)

Lastly an fx loop would be cool

thanks for any answers
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#2
Look at the Jet City stuff on www.thomann.de any thing but the JCA20 would fit the bill nicely.

You need a Combo or a head and cab?
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#3
Oh sorry forgot to mention that, I dont really care if Combo or Head/Cab, but as you see I dont have a cab, I suppose Head/Cab is more expensive?
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If you order from thomann, you can get a Jet City JCA50h for €289 and the Harley Benton 2x12 Vintage cab for €189.

If you don't know the Jet City is a budget model of the Soldano Hotrod Avenger amp. It has decent cleans, and great crunch through modern metal. I really can't see you buying new and getting anything even close to the sound quality you can get from what I suggested
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#5
Ok thanks very much, I will certainly consider it because I have heard good things about Jet City. But is it a good blues amp? Does it have good clean headroom?
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#6
Don't buy an MA, they are a steaming pile of smeg. The worst tube Marshall I have ever played by a long way.

Rob's JCA50 suggestion is a far better option.
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#7
Could my local store actually order me one even if they dont have the brand, or is that impossible out of legal reasons? You see, I'm asking because of warranty reasons I don't want to send the whole amp somewhere, I prefer to have a Person I know to talk to.
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Quote by clegtr
Ok thanks very much, I will certainly consider it because I have heard good things about Jet City. But is it a good blues amp? Does it have good clean headroom?

It will work fine for blues.

It is a 50watt amp, you should have plenty of headroom. It will blow the windows out of a house (well not actually but you get the point.
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#9
Quote by clegtr
Could my local store actually order me one even if they dont have the brand, or is that impossible out of legal reasons? You see, I'm asking because of warranty reasons I don't want to send the whole amp somewhere, I prefer to have a Person I know to talk to.

If you order from Thomann, you will get a warranty.
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#10
Tube or Solid state by the way? I haven't been here in a while so my recommendations might be a bit off but you could also look into Vox or Fender amps for great cleans, if you're lucky you could find a Vox AC15 or a Fender Blues Junior that fits your budget. And the Jet City is a good option too, of course. Also, my friend who is a pretty experienced guitarist and a clean player loves his Tech 21 amp. Might be worth your attention.
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#11
Quote by clegtr
Could my local store actually order me one even if they dont have the brand, or is that impossible out of legal reasons? You see, I'm asking because of warranty reasons I don't want to send the whole amp somewhere, I prefer to have a Person I know to talk to.

This will depend on the store.

They won't be able to order literally anything because they will probably be tied in to their dealers, but on the other hand they probably don't stock everything their suppliers can get hold of so it's worth asking.
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#12
If you order from Thomann, you will get a warranty.

The point was that I dont want to send it anywhere, because it takes ages (I once ordered an amp from Thomann, it was broken I sent it back and didnt hear anything for about a month. I then decided to use the money back thing.

Tube or Solid state by the way? I haven't been here in a while so my recommendations might be a bit off but you could also look into Vox or Fender amps, if you're lucky you could find a Vox AC15 or a Fender Blues Junior that fits your budget. And the Jet City is a good option too, of course.


I dont really care as long as it sounds good. I actually looked at both of those amps, but theyre both extending my budget by the amount where it starts hurting
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Quote by clegtr

I dont really care as long as it sounds good. I actually looked at both of those amps, but theyre both extending my budget by the amount where it starts hurting


Yeah, especially if the used market isn't that great down where you live And solid states are better if you really need to play quiet, you know if you live in a block of flats or with a lot of cohabitants. Tubes are almost always better sounding but they need to be loud to sound at their best.
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Yeah, especially if the used market isn't that great down where you live And solid states are better if you really need to play quiet, you know if you live in a block of flats or with a lot of cohabitants. Tubes are almost always better sounding but they need to be loud to sound at their best.


I disagree with this statement. Tube amps don't always need to be really loud to sound great. They do sound better turned up (but that's why we play, right?) but they don't need to be ear-crushingly loud or anything, just to an acceptable volume. They do sound better really loud but even at an acceptable volume they will sound way more dynamic and responsive than your run-of-the-mill solid state.
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I disagree with this statement. Tube amps don't always need to be really loud to sound great. They do sound better turned up (but that's why we play, right?) but they don't need to be ear-crushingly loud or anything, just to an acceptable volume. They do sound better really loud but even at an acceptable volume they will sound way more dynamic and responsive than your run-of-the-mill solid state.


I didn't say that they need to be earcrushing to sound good. They need to be loud to sound their best but they are still better than most SS amps even at low volumes. I think you just misread my post.
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I didn't say that they need to be earcrushing to sound good. They need to be loud to sound their best but they are still better than most SS amps even at low volumes. I think you just misread my post.


I totally did. Where the ****'s my coffee?
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I totally did. Where the ****'s my coffee?


Hopefully you find it. Coffee is the saviour of mankind.
#18
Quote by clegtr
The point was that I dont want to send it anywhere, because it takes ages (I once ordered an amp from Thomann, it was broken I sent it back and didnt hear anything for about a month. I then decided to use the money back thing.


Find out where the authorized (insert amp brand here) repair shops are in your area.

Most of your local guitar shops don't repair amps under manufacturer warranty anyway - they send them out as well.

You could also talk to someone live at Thomann and ask them if they can provide you with an advanced replacement if something fails.
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You could also talk to someone live at Thomann and ask them if they can provide you with an advanced replacement if something fails.


Sorry, I'm not completely sure what you mean by this, does this mean that they replace the amp by something better in return for all the hassle?
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Quote by clegtr
Sorry, I'm not completely sure what you mean by this, does this mean that they replace the amp by something better in return for all the hassle?

No it means that if you were to have a problem that they would ship you a replacement as soon as they receive a tracking number for the returned amp, not actually until they have possesion of the amp

So your wait time is cut down dramatically. Lots of online retailers do that in the USA
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Aww I began to hope
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#22
+1 on the jet city jca 50h/hb g212 vintage cabinet from thomann

if the cleaner/less heavy tones are more important, the traynor ycv50b on thomann might be worth considering, too.

i can't see you getting much better than either of those, new, for that kind of money (but i could be wrong, and you never know when a killer deal will just pop up).
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#23
The Traynor is just about 100 euros too expensive, if I had the money I would probably get a vox ac15 or Fender Blues junior, which a guy before mentioned. I think the jet city is still in the budget and I like the idea of having a cab, since I can later on buy other tube heads.
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#24
no worries

yeah if the jet city is inside your budget it's gonna be hard to beat. it's a modern high gainer, though does have decent cleanish tones (it doesn't really have a clean channel, more a crunch channel and a high gain channel) and pretty good crunch tones. And as i said, for the money it's gonna be hard to beat (new).
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#25
+2 for the Jet City?

Its a great amp. Killer dirty tones and a pretty good clean as well.

It's dirt channel can nail everything from a light blues to a pretty heavy metal tone.

Like others have said, its a great value, and you would be hard pressed to find a better deal on a new amp. Don't be discouraged by the fact that its made it China. I've been lugging my JCA50H around at least twice a week ( more like 3 or 4) to gigs/pratice, and I havent had any issues yet.

I pulled it apart one day to take a peek inside, and it looks solid as hell.
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#26
But is it able to perform at reasonable volumes at home?
I've got a cellar, but still... otherwise I think all those people are convincing me
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Quote by clegtr
The point was that I dont want to send it anywhere, because it takes ages (I once ordered an amp from Thomann, it was broken I sent it back and didnt hear anything for about a month. I then decided to use the money back thing.

That's very unlike thomann, they generally deal with tech issues in a week, I've had entire amps collected, repaired and shipped back within 6 days (to the UK so that includes euro shipping).

As for your local shop ordering one in... Jet City have no European distribution, and therefore your shop would have to pay the freight which on a head/cab is gonna be around 400-450 euros ON TOP of the price of the amp.
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That's very unlike thomann, they generally deal with tech issues in a week, I've had entire amps collected, repaired and shipped back within 6 days (to the UK so that includes euro shipping).

As for your local shop ordering one in... Jet City have no European distribution, and therefore your shop would have to pay the freight which on a head/cab is gonna be around 400-450 euros ON TOP of the price of the amp.


As for the issue with my amp, I think it was a bad constellation between the post the store and the bank. It wasn't the fault of Thomann alone (And they were always friendly and helpful on the phone so I'm not going to say bad things about them)

I actually just found a store selling Jet City, but it seems to be a private one, only opening on saturdays after you made an appointment
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But is it able to perform at reasonable volumes at home?
I've got a cellar, but still... otherwise I think all those people are convincing me


Ehh, attenuate it. And it will play at quieter volumes, but there will be a slight tone suck. You get it with nearly all valve amps when you turn them down.
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#31
I can practice at home with my JCA50H no prob.
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And as a cab, what do you guys recommend? Someone said I should buy the Harley Benton Cab, but is the matched cab any good? It's fifty euros cheaper (if the harley benton is way better i am willing to go up this amount)
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And as a cab, what do you guys recommend? Someone said I should buy the Harley Benton Cab, but is the matched cab any good? It's fifty euros cheaper (if the harley benton is way better i am willing to go up this amount)

Yeah, the Jet City cab is OK, but the Harley Benton vintage has Celestion V30's in it.

I would spring the extra 50 and get the HB.
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I can practice at home with my JCA50H no prob.


+1

i live in a detached house, though, so bear that in mind. But it's one of the better low volume tube amps I've tried.

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And as a cab, what do you guys recommend? Someone said I should buy the Harley Benton Cab, but is the matched cab any good? It's fifty euros cheaper (if the harley benton is way better i am willing to go up this amount)


i'd get the harley benton. better speakers, and I think the cab is better too (it's a bit bigger, and i think (could be my imagination) it sounds better, too). granted it doesn't match as well in terms of cosmetics, but that's about the only difference.

only reason for going for the jet city is if you want its looks to match, or if you were thinking of swapping speakers (say to eminence v12s, which i prefer to v30s with the jet city)... and if you were thinking of swapping speakers you can get the harley benton cab with cheaper speakers (g212) for less than the jet city cab.
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Blackstar HT series are great
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#36
Blackstar HT series are great


They are I know, but they are out of my budget, since the 500 euros have to include a cab
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**** that shit, they aren't even all-tube
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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Blackstar HT series are great

No they are mediocre at best, the Jet City will shit on the HT
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#39
so would the traynor


yeah ok so i haven't tried the ht series, but the iffy marketing alone puts me off them. and the artisan (which was all-tube, and which won a guitarist gold award, IIRC), was underwhelming at best, I thought.
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Quote by evmac
I disagree with this statement. Tube amps don't always need to be really loud to sound great. They do sound better turned up (but that's why we play, right?) but they don't need to be ear-crushingly loud or anything, just to an acceptable volume. They do sound better really loud but even at an acceptable volume they will sound way more dynamic and responsive than your run-of-the-mill solid state.

Depends on your as amp. A Roland jazz chorus is going to whomp a tube amp's ass all day long at low volume for cleans, a Randall is going to kick most tube amps ass at low volume for metal they do make tube practice amps now that go down to one watt butt everyone herevis recomendingb50 watt tube amps. At low volumes large tube amps tend to suck with out the ability to change wattage.
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