#1
So I've been looking forward to buy a new axe and upgrade from my current Epiphone Les Paul and I've come across the following guitars:

Jackson RRXMG,
Esp ec 401,
Charvel dx1 or ds1
Schecter damien avenger
Ibanez art500

I mostly play heavy metal and a bit of hard rock. Stuff like Slipknot, Children Of Bodom, Machine Head, Avenged Sevenfold e.t.c.

Amongst these which one is the best buy?
Last edited by lglitchl at May 11, 2013,
#2
The Ibanez be good for your personal tastes, however I myself would prefer a low action and fairly large scaled guitar to play metal, so i'd stay away from the ART, as good as it would be. As it's a les paul shape, the action is fairly high, and it is only a 24.75 scale so a 25.5 scale guitar (most guitars) would probably suit you better.
(I own an ART100DX, it's pretty decent)
If you want information about my Ibanez, then i've had it as my first electric, I used it often in tuning such as drop b (probably a tuning you'd play in, considering the bands you mentioned) and would say it has handled that well.

Can't comment on the other guitars, sorry. I'm still a bit of a newbie, as I only progressed to the electric guitar 6 months ago, after a couple of years playing the acoustic, so I may be wrong in some of the things i've said.
#3
Best value is probably the Charvel, then probably the Jackson.

That doesn't have any bearing on what you'll find comfortable/agreeable though. Is there any way you can try them out?

Those guitars are relatively random and seem to have some big disparities, like bridge types. Please answer these questions here and we'll be able to give you the best suggestions we can.

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Last edited by Offworld92 at May 11, 2013,
#5
I'll probably be buying them online so there is no way that I can play them out.

Personally I really like the Rhoads because of it's ridiculous shape but then the basswood body keeps me thinking and amongst the others i prefer the ESP and Charvel but then again I don't have any personal experience with them :|

As far as my needs go I want active P'ups, 24 frets, don't really know whether I need a Floyd or not :P, new or used doesn't matter and it should have an awful look.

Hope that helps
#6
Quote by lglitchl
Hope that helps


Nope. What don't you like about your current guitar? Do you plan on changing tunings often?
#7
Quote by azn_guitarist25
Nope. What don't you like about your current guitar? Do you plan on changing tunings often?


That's one reason, but I also want something which fills in for my heavy metal needs.
I'm not saying that my les Paul can't do metal but let's face it, the EMGs and preferably better than the Epi pickups and I don't want to change em out because they are great for stuff other than metal
#8
Quote by lglitchl
That's one reason, but I also want something which fills in for my heavy metal needs.
I'm not saying that my les Paul can't do metal but let's face it, the EMGs and preferably better than the Epi pickups and I don't want to change em out because they are great for stuff other than metal


Any guitar can be made to play metal with a distortion unit of some kind is attached.

But if you're looking for a decent priced guitar, bc rich or ESP will be for you.

More specifically, the ESP AX 50.
Last edited by Espace39 at May 12, 2013,
#9
Quote by lglitchl
I'll probably be buying them online so there is no way that I can play them out.

Personally I really like the Rhoads because of it's ridiculous shape but then the basswood body keeps me thinking and amongst the others i prefer the ESP and Charvel but then again I don't have any personal experience with them :|

As far as my needs go I want active P'ups, 24 frets, don't really know whether I need a Floyd or not :P, new or used doesn't matter and it should have an awful look.

Hope that helps


With active pickups body wood is not very important for the sound as it is with the passive ones.
#10
Quote by JackovSlayer
With active pickups body wood is not very important for the sound as it is with the passive ones.


True, but it is a soft wood and I have to do all sort of crazy stuff while playing live so it might get a lot of dings and stuff.
Last edited by lglitchl at May 12, 2013,
#11
My guitar is made of basswood, sometimes I accidentaly hit something with it but still there's no damage on it.
#12
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With active pickups body wood is not very important for the sound as it is with the passive ones.



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#13
Don't touch those Charvels!! Those are the Desolation line and have awful QC, unless you can physically check the actual guitar out prior to buying do not risk it. I'm speaking from experience on those!
#14
So is that a no go for the Charvel an the Jackson?
What about the Ltd and the Schecter? Are they worth buying?
#16
Jackson: Good
LTD: Good
Schecter: Good
Charvel: Anything except the Desolation is good.

The problem with the Desolation series is that they moved production to a cheap factory and subsequently the quality control is awful! The one I got was all over the place, wonky bits, paint missing, paint on binding, damaged binding, borked electronics, the whole thing was a mess.

I don't know much about that particular Jackson model you mention but I've certainly never seen a Jackson come along that had even anywhere close to the issues that the Charvel Desolation series seem to be having. Which is crazy given they're basically the same company, I guess they just wanted to keep profit margins high on the desolations.

But yeah anything other than those desolation models should be fine, even other Charvels. Charvel are a good company and make nice guitars, it's just they dropped the ball on that series.
Last edited by NotTheMessiah30 at May 13, 2013,
#17
Quote by lglitchl
So is that a no go for the Charvel an the Jackson?
What about the Ltd and the Schecter? Are they worth buying?


I played few Schecters, mostly the Hellraiser series, and they seem like good guitars to me. Didn't like the necks, they were pretty thick, I like the thin ones more.
#18
Quote by JackovSlayer
I played few Schecters, mostly the Hellraiser series, and they seem like good guitars to me. Didn't like the necks, they were pretty thick, I like the thin ones more.


Yeah but the problem with the damien is the bolt-on construction unlike the hellraiser :/
#19
Quote by JackovSlayer
Actually, I think it's not.

The difference is that it is actually a myth. Guitars with active pickups don't all sound the same.
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I played few Schecters, mostly the Hellraiser series, and they seem like good guitars to me. Didn't like the necks, they were pretty thick, I like the thin ones more.

Actually, the necks on Schecters have an average thickness. People who say they're too thick are just used to playing on necks that resemble toothpicks.
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#20
How much have you got to spend?

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#21
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Actually, the necks on Schecters have an average thickness. People who say they're too thick are just used to playing on necks that resemble toothpicks.


I wouldn't call it average thickness. Yes, I'm used to playing thin necks (I play Ibanez), but still I would say that Helraiser Series (I played C1 and V1-FR models) have thick necks. And besides that, the salesman in the store I was trying it out said that the necks on those guitars are thick too. I think he was also saying something about new models having thicker necks than the older ones, but I'm not very sure about that, maybe I got something wrong.
#22
Quote by lglitchl
Yeah but the problem with the damien is the bolt-on construction unlike the hellraiser :/


Why is that a problem to you?
#23
Quote by Tom 1.0
How much have you got to spend?


Around $650 but that doesn't matter because I have to choose a guitar from the one I mentioned earlier as they are the only ones I found fitting my requirements so far.
#24
But you clearly don't know a lot about guitars...

I'll have a quick look and see what I can find.



















There are a ton of solid guitars that would be awesome for what you want and all of them blow the stuff you are looking at away. When you are looking at spending around 600-700 and predominately new, you have the issue of what is effectively the top end of the mid range market.

Going 2nd hand opens up better deals and higher quality instruments.

All of those are hardtails (bar the USA Washburn) and all have branded pickups and are all well suited to playing metal.

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Last edited by Tom 1.0 at May 13, 2013,
#25
I check eBay daily to find something good and I did come across all the guitars you mentioned, but the problem is that I don't live in the US :P
Last edited by lglitchl at May 13, 2013,
#26
So why say you were spending $?

Where do you live then?

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#29
i have a esp ltd ec-401 and i love it, but i did not try any of the other guitar that you wrote so i cant compare
#31
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Jackson it is.