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WhatAStoryMark
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First things first I would like to say a massive thank you to everyone who helped me on this forum.
It must be about 1-2 months ago that I asked for some advice RE my amp situation, having taken advice I then bought an amp that I otherwise wouldn't have considered, a Traynor YCV50 that was recommended, if I remember correctly by Dave (?) and others.
It's been absolutely incredible and I can only thank all of you for your help.

Now, the other day disaster struck, I was moving out of Uni for the year, and I managed to drop my guitar down the stairs (properly down the stairs, through the hole in the middle, 4 floors). It's a shattered, splintered mess now and I'm absolutely gutted.

It was a fender telecaster MIM and I'd been using it loyally for a year or so with no problems. But I need to sort out the immediate future, I've recently (very) joined a band and we're playing live in a week or so for the second time. I need a guitar for that gig.

Which is why I've come here, I figured that you guys would be able to point me in the right direction for a well made, cheap and great sounding tele, the brand doesn't particularly bother me though.

Here is the form.

Budget? - No where much beyond £500, I'm a student after all. Although if the consensus is that I'd be better off buying a cheap guitar in the short term and saving for a better one I do have a job and very little outgoing money (my parents are too kind).

Favorite Artists? - Plenty of different inspirations. I play a reasonably spacey lead and rhythm to get around the fact that I'm shit at playing fast. I like most Pink Floyd stuff and Jeff Buckley (some would say too much) as well as indie rock like Alt-J and the like.

Preferences? - Telecaster if possible, wouldn't be entirely against a strat, anything with single coils could work though.

Pickups? - Standard SS would be great, a humbucker wouldn't kill the deal but I would rather not have one stock.

New or Used? Either, shops would be easiest to get to as I'm not wanting to trust postal services entirely.

Location? - Cheltenham or Birmingham would be easiest, however I don't mind travelling big distances if it would help to sort this by saturday.

Current Gear? Traynor YCV50, various shit pedals.

Thanks for your help in the past even if you can't help too much now.
Mephaphil
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Ok. New you're looking at a MiM Strat or Tele. If you saw it as a chance to upgrade you may be disappointed.

Used you might be able to get a MiA Strat or Tele if you're really super lucky but seeing as your timescale is quite short I'd just go and play a few Strats and Teles and pick one. If you can find one used you'll get more of your money back if you do want to sell later on.

You can get a Gibson Les Paul Studio Faded for around £500, and they're great guitars. I know you said that you're interested in single coils but I just thought I'd throw that out there.

You could get a Roadworn Strat for £500 used, but again it depends on what is available in the timeframe and area you're willing to travel to.
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I actually love all the fender road worn series not because of the relic jobs but the necks on all of them are perfect so id say plus 1 on the roadworn especially the rw yellow Tele great feeling guitar worth checking out
WhatAStoryMark
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That does sound good, I've looked at those briefly online in the last day or so and they look to be in about my price range.
Are there any guitars that are not fender/gibson that would be of similar quality?
Thanks for your replies.
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You may also want to consider a Gibson Les Paul Junior Faded. You could pick one up 2nd hand for £400 or so. They're great work-horse guitars with a really good tone and have really fast necks. The one's I've played were all set up perfectly. They're sort of the Gibson equivalent of a Tele. May be worth looking at if you've got a decent guitar shop nearby.
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zl1288
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Quote by WhatAStoryMark
That does sound good, I've looked at those briefly online in the last day or so and they look to be in about my price range.
Are there any guitars that are not fender/gibson that would be of similar quality? Thanks for your replies.


Maybe take a look for a G&L ASAT. A USA model would be preferable, but I'm not really sure what those go for in the UK. The Tribute series is nice too, I've always thought they play/sound better than comparably priced Fenders.
WhatAStoryMark
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Maybe take a look for a G&L ASAT. A USA model would be preferable, but I'm not really sure what those go for in the UK. The Tribute series is nice too, I've always thought they play/sound better than comparably priced Fenders.

Brilliant! This is the sort of response I was looking for.
I'll have a look at G&L, are there any other brands that you know/ would recommend in a similar vein?
Mephaphil
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Also, A Japanese Fender would be a good upgrade. They have unique paint jobs and are arguably better than the Mexican counterpart for general quality.

You do sometimes have to pick a good one out with MiMs rather than have a fantastic quality control overall. This isn't as much the case with the Japanese models.

Look! (Humbuckers I know, but it's gorgeous and it's the price range I'm pointing at. )

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vintage-and-one-of-a-kind-fender-telecaster-custom-E-serial-number-mij-1984-/171037124775?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item27d29b68a7
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WhatAStoryMark
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How easy would it be to get that pickguard off it ?
That does look like a cracking deal and it sounds like, if it's possible, Japanese would be a good way to go, both on here and from other places around the internet.
Are there any exclusively made in Japan guitar manufacturers?
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Mephaphil
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That Tele is ridiculous. Buy that now.


I know, right.

I nearly shit my pants when I saw that.

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That looks pretty sweet. There's a good few days left on that though. I'd expect it to go up quite a bit.

Man... Those Japanese Fenders are so cool. If I had the cash I'd buy a load of them.
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dannyalcatraz
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Quote by zl1288
Maybe take a look for a G&L ASAT. A USA model would be preferable, but I'm not really sure what those go for in the UK. The Tribute series is nice too, I've always thought they play/sound better than comparably priced Fenders.

I looked on Thomann, and it looks like the only G&Ls in the right price range are the Tributes...but they should be just fine in terms of quality.
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#16
glad you like the traynor

that really sucks about the guitar, though

you can get MIJ tokai teles (breezysounds) for around the £500 mark. The fender classic series (MIM) is pretty nice too- I'd say the MIJ stuff has the edge, but it's close and the fender will have better resale value, most likely. or you could get an MIJ fender, but then they're likely to cost more

EDIT: as danny says, the (blue label) fretking stuff is pretty nice too- again, i think the MIJ stuff has the edge, but it tends to be very vintage-spec, so if you want something more modern you're out of luck. i'd try to get the fretking stuff as cheap as you can, though- prices vary widely, and if you're willing to wait and easy on colour choice you can often get deals on (new) ones for around £400. I think the resale on them isn't great, so bear that in mind. But the country squire super s might be nice if you can't decide between a strat or tele.

EDIT #2: yeah the very few godins i've tried have been very nice, too.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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zl1288
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I looked on Thomann, and it looks like the only G&Ls in the right price range are the Tributes...but they should be just fine in terms of quality.


Well I was thinking he may be able to pick up a used USA model, but I'm not sure what they go for used over there

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That's awesome, although I suspect it's probably going to be way out of your price range when bidding ends
WhatAStoryMark
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Well I was thinking he may be able to pick up a used USA model, but I'm not sure what they go for used over there


That's awesome, although I suspect it's probably going to be way out of your price range when bidding ends

Yeah, I just thought it was an unbelievably beautiful guitar .

What I'm thinking at the moment, for everyone who still has some interest, is that I will be heading over to Bristol tomorrow to have a look at some of the music shops.
I'm really interested in the Godin, mostly because the one linked was (in my opinion) a cracking looking guitar.

I'm going to try not to be too fussy about looks, I have a deadline after all, but I also don't want to waste my money on something I don't like on both looks and sounds. I can just borrow a guitar off of someone else if worst comes to worst I guess, although most of the people I know only really like metal guitars and have set them up accordingly.

Also because of Dave's advise on the Traynor I will be looking into the MIJ guitars a bit more, the vintage spec thing is not a turn off at all, I much prefer vintage looks and I can change the rest if necessary.

On an unrelated side note, does anybody know anything about digital delay pedals? I have a really shitty analogue delay that I bought years ago and a broken analogue that I bought 2 months ago so I'm thinking that maybe something is telling me to buy digital.
Mephaphil
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I mentioned Jap guitars first god dammit. I'll give Dave this one. Only this one though.

Get a Deluxe Memory Man if you have £250 for one or a Deluxe Memory Boy if you have £100 for a used one. If you really want digital look at the DD7 or the TC Flashback.
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WhatAStoryMark
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I mentioned Jap guitars first god dammit. I'll give Dave this one. Only this one though.

Get a Deluxe Memory Man if you have £250 for one or a Deluxe Memory Boy if you have £100 for a used one. If you really want digital look at the DD7 or the TC Flashback.

Oh yeah, sorry, I meant specifically the Tokai. But I can't really find anything substantial on them on the internet purchase wise.

Are you saying that you actually have those for sale? If so I may be interested, I'll have a look at some tomorrow and see what I pick up from those but I will definitely let you have "first dibs" on my used purchasing, after all, you did recommend the Japanese guitars first (before Dave).
Mephaphil
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Lol I'm only kidding. I don't have any guitars for sale.

I have a Flashback x4 that I'm considering selling. If I sell that it would be for £150 boxed including postage. I just got a Deluxe Memory Man so I wonder if I need the Flashback. The X4 is a great delay pedal. You can do so much with it and it's definitely much much better than the normal one.
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WhatAStoryMark
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Lol I'm only kidding. I don't have any guitars for sale.

I have a Flashback x4 that I'm considering selling. If I sell that it would be for £150 boxed including postage. I just got a Deluxe Memory Man so I wonder if I need the Flashback. The X4 is a great delay pedal. You can do so much with it and it's definitely much much better than the normal one.


This is what I meant, I've just read my post and realised it was the opposite of clear. I was talking about the delay pedals. I'm now thoroughly satisfied that I'll be able to find a good strat or tele, although over the next few days I may well post some ebay links here and ask if the deal is as good as it looks.

So the main thing is now a delay pedal, this one doesn't have a time limit though so I can do this over a long time.
Mephaphil
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Yea post away. If you're interested in the pedal send me a PM.
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there's not a massive difference between MIJ tokais and MIJ fenders (some of the MIJ fenders were made by tokai- not all, or even most, though). Just the fender-branded ones tend to be dearer. i think rockem music has a tokai in stock, but i've never bought from them before, dunno what they're like.

fwiw it's hard enough to change a vintage radius and 21 frets

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I mentioned Jap guitars first god dammit. I'll give Dave this one. Only this one though.


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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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MXR Carbon Copy is a really good delay pedal, and the Line6 ToneCore Echo Park is nice as well.

Red Witch offers the bargain-priced Violet delay, and the pricey but powerful Titan.
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WhatAStoryMark
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there's not a massive difference between MIJ tokais and MIJ fenders (some of the MIJ fenders were made by tokai- not all, or even most, though). Just the fender-branded ones tend to be dearer. i think rockem music has a tokai in stock, but i've never bought from them before, dunno what they're like.

fwiw it's hard enough to change a vintage radius and 21 frets




I see what you mean, as I say though, I'll probably try to find at least 1 MIJ guitar before I buy it, I don't really feel like spending all my money on something I have no idea about.

What you say about the Tokais is interesting, I assume you were talking about this one?
http://www.rockemmusic.com/product/tokai-tte50a-carr-tele-breezysound-electric-guitar-candy-apple-red-wcase.
I see they also have a strat on ebay, I think I saw this earlier although I didn't realise it was from a music shop.
What would be everyone's thoughts about the price of that Tokai compared to the Fenders?
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Tokais are excellent guitars. Rare in the UK and with a good reputation.

The Tokai Les Pauls were once as good or better than the Gibsons of the same time.
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yeah that's the one i was talking about. FWIW i seem to remember someone on the tokai forum having bought one and saying the setup wasn't that great (and i think they have a spiel on their website about setting up the guitars ), but that's only hearsay, obviously.

price... it's hard to say. they're definitely dearer than they were, about 5 years ago a pound bought you 250 yen, now it buys you 150, and not that long ago it only bought you 130. it seems to be weakening, so if you're in no rush prices may well improve (but that could take 5 years, lol, and it could of course strengthen again).

i got mine for just over £400, as an example. the other thing is, rockem sometimes has 10% off sales, which'd bring the price down a bit- if you sign up for their newsletter they often send out the sales that way.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

WhatAStoryMark
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Just an update for everyone,
I went to a couple of shops in Bristol today and found a couple of nice guitars (I played a MIJ tele and a strat) but I've decided that I'm going to wait a little longer to buy a guitar because my Dad, saint that he is, has offered me the use of his strat in the short term.
I reckon I'd like to buy one still within a couple of weeks but I imagine that by the end of this week or the midde of the next I will have decided finally if I'll be getting a tele or strat.
WhatAStoryMark
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Quote by Dave_Mc
yeah that's the one i was talking about. FWIW i seem to remember someone on the tokai forum having bought one and saying the setup wasn't that great (and i think they have a spiel on their website about setting up the guitars ), but that's only hearsay, obviously.

price... it's hard to say. they're definitely dearer than they were, about 5 years ago a pound bought you 250 yen, now it buys you 150, and not that long ago it only bought you 130. it seems to be weakening, so if you're in no rush prices may well improve (but that could take 5 years, lol, and it could of course strengthen again).

i got mine for just over £400, as an example. the other thing is, rockem sometimes has 10% off sales, which'd bring the price down a bit- if you sign up for their newsletter they often send out the sales that way.


That's interesting. So you own a Tokai tele then? I couldn't find one in any of the shops I visited but in the one with the MIJs the guy who owned the shop told me that he loved Tokais but that he wasn't really 'allowed' to stock them much because of Fender. I imagine that was mostly a joke but I couldn't really tell (the Bris'ul was strong in him) but it reassured me of what you were saying and if they send out a deal I will be looking into it very seriously.
Did you buy your Tokai off of them (rockem)?
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yeah i have a tokai tele. i got mine (new) off ebay, not from rockem.

and that thing about not stocking tokai because of fender probably isn't a joke, unfortunately.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

Mephaphil
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Yea you won't find many in any shops.
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When you're a top dog in the industry, you can have some interesting clauses in your sales agreements, including some that could void the deal if you stock _______, and so forth.
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that "no stairway" clause is patently unfair, IMO.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

WhatAStoryMark
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Wow, that does seem ridiculous and actually makes me not want to buy a Fender, I don't really like the idea of supporting a monopoly.
Are the Tokai strats (assuming, as I am, that they make them) any good?
On strats are there any particularly good brands that I should look out for that are different from teles?
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It goes both ways- there are also retailers so dominant in their markets that Fender can't dictate terms and/or won't raise a fuss when the terms get violated.
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I've only really seen them in various magazines, but some Fretking guitars seem pretty swish, and they have some fairly high range strat shaped guitars selling, maybe check their site out?

Sorry for no actual knowledgeable input, but I thought I may as well try help
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I've only really seen them in various magazines, but some Fretking guitars seem pretty swish, and they have some fairly high range strat shaped guitars selling, maybe check their site out?

Sorry for no actual knowledgeable input, but I thought I may as well try help


That's great, the more the merrier I say, I have pretty much no knowledge of this stuff, that's why I'm on this board.
The last time I asked for help from these boards I was pointed in the direction of a great deal by some very helpful people who know the things I don't, if you've owned more than 3 guitars and 2 amps then you certainly know more than I do.
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Quote by WhatAStoryMark
Wow, that does seem ridiculous and actually makes me not want to buy a Fender, I don't really like the idea of supporting a monopoly.
Are the Tokai strats (assuming, as I am, that they make them) any good?
On strats are there any particularly good brands that I should look out for that are different from teles?


yeah the tokai strats are good, too (the ones i've tried, anyway). i've got one, too, but it's an older, 80s one, so how much it says about the new ones, I dunno. But the newer ones I've tried (not sure exactly how old they were, as i think the ones I've tried were all second-hand, but they seemed a lot newer than mine) were nice, too.

I don't think the cheaper ones have steel blocks on the trem, if that matters. I'd guess you could add a steel block if you really cared, though.

godin would be the obvious brand that makes strat-style guitars but not really tele-style guitars. I think i've only tried one, but it seemed pretty nice. prices vary quite widely, you can often get deals on them (new) from shops.

fretkings, as mentioned, are nice too- i think the MIJs have the edge, but it's slight, and also the fretkings have a more modern spec while the MIJs tend to be more vintage, so you're not really comparing like with like.

G&L is probably worth a look, too, but the prices for the US-made models here are silly. I haven't tried the tributes. Proguitarshop and Prymaxe in the USA will ship them (i think) and their prices are way less than in the UK (often less in dollars than we get charged in pounds ), but you're liable to be hit for customs/VAT etc. when they land here so you wouldn't be saving as much as you initially thought, and it may be too risky to buy something so expensive from so far away where you have little recourse if something goes wrong.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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