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MarcFlink
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Hey guys.. The long title might have been able to inform you what this thread is about


I'm gonna go buy an electric guitar and an amp very soon, and i don't really know what to get for the amp part of it

I'm thinking that im gonna go for a Standard Strat (depending on how it feels in my hands ;D )

But for the amp part, im kinda puzzled, because i want to be able to play alot of different sounds.

I wanna be able to play Bruce Springsteen ( everything from Death to my Hometown to Glory Days and Bobby Jean), John Mayer (His blues stuff like Gravity and Slow Dancing in a Burning Room), and stuff like Green Day.

What the hell do i do? At first i was thinking about getting a Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue, but will it really be able to play Green Day??


What should i get, so that i'll be able to play many different kinds of genres, without sacrificing the sound you get from tube amps??

Info about me that might be useful:

I don't own an electric guitar or amp. It's going to be my first purchase, but i have played acoustic steel string guitar for a couple of years, and it is my passion.

Have been dreaming about an electric and now i finally have the money to get some proper gear.. I know i will stick with it, cause playing guitar and writing music is all i do all day long :-)

I'm willing to spend around 850-900 dollars on this purchase (i live in europe, so prices are gonna be the same as they are on Thomann, not what they are in the states..)


Donno what else to tell you? Hope you can help me figure it out, by coming with some suggestions!
Thank you in advance
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The deluxe reverb would do great for what you want but your gonna want an od pedal for John Mayer blues type stuff and Bruce Springsteen I think, and a distortion pedal for green day and punk stuff. But you'll need that with any amp, imo most amps on board od\dist suck and fender is known for a great clean channel and then your supposed to add pedals to boost that if you want. But anyway its a great amp id look at all the fender amps in your area if I were you they're the best imo
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Quote by DannyV783
The deluxe reverb would do great for what you want but your gonna want an od pedal for John Mayer blues type stuff and Bruce Springsteen I think, and a distortion pedal for green day and punk stuff. But you'll need that with any amp, imo most amps on board od\dist suck and fender is known for a great clean channel and then your supposed to add pedals to boost that if you want. But anyway its a great amp id look at all the fender amps in your area if I were you they're the best imo


Ever played a Marshall, Peavey 5150, Mesa Boogie, or cranked up AC30? All the bands using tube amp distortion want a different opinion.

I recommend an Egnater Renegade. Has the cleans to play the clean stuff VERY well and can be dialed in to sound close to a Fender, and it has the sort of Marshally gain to play punk stuff and Green Day.
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Check out the Peavey Classic 30 or Vox AC30. The cleans are both delicious & they can easily handle the heavier side of hard rock/punk.
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Basically any small tube amp can handle your requirements, with the option of an overdrive for flexibility/added dirt.
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Secondhand JCM 800 combo with an OD for heavy stuff.



They simply aren't available. Can't even find one on ebay :/
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Quote by sg4ever
Ever played a Marshall, Peavey 5150, Mesa Boogie, or cranked up AC30? All the bands using tube amp distortion want a different opinion.

I recommend an Egnater Renegade. Has the cleans to play the clean stuff VERY well and can be dialed in to sound close to a Fender, and it has the sort of Marshally gain to play punk stuff and Green Day.


Like the JCM 800, i can't even find this on ebay or anywhere else (especially not anywhere local)

Does anyone agree with the first poster, that the Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue can do the trick, with the help of some external gear ??
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Quote by MarcFlink
Does anyone agree with the first poster, that the Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue can do the trick, with the help of some external gear ??

I agree.

Check out the Fender Blues Deluxe, the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, and the Ampeg GVT52.
All three have great clean channels, nice spring reverb units, and take pedals extremely well.
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I would say you'd be better off just getting an amp that can do both well, especially since there are plenty of them. An AC30 should be able to dirty up enough for what you want and can do great cleans. Another few to consider would be a Bogner Alchemist, an Orange Tiny Terror, a Peavey Classic 30, or an Egnater Rebel. Any of those should be able to do both styles quite well.

You seem to be partial to Fender, but I wouldn't limit myself to a one trick pony and have to mess with additional gear -- especially when you're just getting into electrics.

Edit: Also, take a look at a Line 6 DT25. Don't be scared off by the name, it's an excellent amp, and extremely versatile. I want one so bad....
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Try a modelling amp like the Fender Mustang or Line 6 Spider. Maybe even a Roland CUbe or something. I used to own a Mustang II and it could be used for everything.
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Quote by MattCox12345
Try a modelling amp like the Fender Mustang or Line 6 Spider. Maybe even a Roland CUbe or something. I used to own a Mustang II and it could be used for everything.



Thanks for the reply, but i'm not interested in modelling amps. I want the real deal, because all i hear is that if i buy a modelling amp it will be a waste of money, cause i will end up buying a tube amp anyway.

So i might as well cut off the modelling amp part and jump straight to the quality that i actually want, if you know what i mean.

Im serious about music, and i plan on doing gigs when i get the hang of my guitar skills on electric (i sing as well)
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Quote by MattCox12345
Try a modelling amp like the Fender Mustang or Line 6 Spider. Maybe even a Roland CUbe or something. I used to own a Mustang II and it could be used for everything.
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I feel as though these would not be good for what he is looking for. It seems that he wants to buy a better amp than those modeling options, especially around the $800-$900 range. I would support the fender recommendation. The clean from fender are unmatched and you could colour your tone the way you want with pedals. I would say that it gives you a lot more opportunities to create your own unique tone!
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Quote by ExDementia
Also, take a look at a Line 6 DT25. Don't be scared off by the name, it's an excellent amp, and extremely versatile. I want one so bad....


+1 on the DT series, but I'd recommend the 50 over the 25. More headroom is very good when you start jamming and gigging.

The DT series has surprisingly nice models for the Cleans, Chime and Crunch sounds, ho I think their Mesa model is too saturated and lacks the definition that is part of Mesa's sound.
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Quote by MarcFlink
Like the JCM 800, i can't even find this on ebay or anywhere else (especially not anywhere local)

Does anyone agree with the first poster, that the Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue can do the trick, with the help of some external gear ??


Strange, Guitar Centers were infested with head/cab and combo versions of the Renegade for years. I see them on Ebay all the time everyday. Maybe people are catching on??? A Fender Blues Deluxe with an MI Audio Crunch Box and a Tubescreamer will do everything you want, but I'm biased towards for amp distortion 90% of the time.

Maybe try a Peavey Classic 30. They can do the cleans wonderfully, and the overdrive should suit most rock and punk stuff.
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Quote by MarcFlink
They simply aren't available. Can't even find one on ebay :/

What country? I see some.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=JCM800&_sacat=0&_from=R40

That said, for a first electric guitar purchase, something with only one channel may not be a good idea.

http://www.thomann.de/gb/laney_gh50l.htm
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http://www.thomann.de/gb/laney_gs212ie.htm
Would be cool.

But should you really be aiming for a tube amp this early in the game? I always question that for people getting into it. You're not even really sure what tone you want, at this point in the game.


I would be looking at a modeling amp of some kinda, that will give you all sorts of tones so that way you can learn what you like.
Peavey Vypyrs are pretty popular these days.

That DT50, I've never played one, but it seems pretty neat.
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MarcFlink
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Quote by Linkerman
I agree.

Check out the Fender Blues Deluxe, the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, and the Ampeg GVT52.
All three have great clean channels, nice spring reverb units, and take pedals extremely well.


Thanks for replying!

i took a look at a review of the Ampeg GVT52. Never heard of the brand before (im not a big nut in these circles YET!) but the review makes it sound amazing!

Looked it up on youtube and it really sounds fantastic!

The pricetag is actually also a lot lower than the Blues Deluxe Reissue!

it is actually only half of the Fender


Can anyone confirm this?

Or are there any opinions on the Ampeg GVT52 112 ??


Man, if i got this, i could get an American Standard instead of a regular standard xD Something to think about :p
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Quote by MarcFlink
Thanks for the reply, but i'm not interested in modelling amps. I want the real deal, because all i hear is that if i buy a modelling amp it will be a waste of money, cause i will end up buying a tube amp anyway.

So i might as well cut off the modelling amp part and jump straight to the quality that i actually want, if you know what i mean.

Im serious about music, and i plan on doing gigs when i get the hang of my guitar skills on electric (i sing as well)

It sounds like you haven't tried either option out for yourself?

Wouldn't it be wiser to make a better informed decision on your own?
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Quote by forsaknazrael

That said, for a first electric guitar purchase, something with only one channel may not be a good idea.

But should you really be aiming for a tube amp this early in the game? I always question that for people getting into it. You're not even really sure what tone you want, at this point in the game.


I would be looking at a modeling amp of some kinda, that will give you all sorts of tones so that way you can learn what you like.
Peavey Vypyrs are pretty popular these days.

That DT50, I've never played one, but it seems pretty neat.



+1

Though there's a pretty huge price disparity between a Vypyr and a DT.

But for your first amp, get something versatile and cheap like the Fender Mustang III or the Peavey Vypyr 30. Modeling amps are excellent choices for beginners because they will let you explore a wide variety of tones out there, and let you figure out what you want for yourself.

Most people do end up with all tube amps that specialize in a certain field, but that's AFTER a period of time of figuring out what it is they want. I don't think you should try to skip that period. I think it's important as a guitarist to go through that phase of discovery. Not that that phase ever really ends.

EDIT: And don't fall into the trap of thinking that "modeling" means "low quality". There are some excellent modeling amps out there. From the Peavey Vypyr Tube 60/120 on the cheap end, all the way up to the Kemper Profiling Amp. Neither of which nor any of the good modelers in between are anything to turn your nose up at.
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Haha I've never seen the DT50, much less heard of it, so I had no idea about the price.


Quote by Offworld92
Most people do end up with all tube amps that specialize in a certain field, but that's AFTER a period of time of figuring out what it is they want. I don't think you should try to skip that period. I think it's important as a guitarist to go through that phase of discovery. Not that that phase ever really ends.

EDIT: And don't fall into the trap of thinking that "modeling" means "low quality". There are some excellent modeling amps out there. From the Peavey Vypyr Tube 60/120 on the cheap end, all the way up to the Kemper Profiling Amp. Neither of which nor any of the good modelers in between are anything to turn your nose up at.

+1
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Quote by forsaknazrael
It sounds like you haven't tried either option out for yourself?

Wouldn't it be wiser to make a better informed decision on your own?



Well im going to a store in the near future to look at my options Im going to try out the Fender one (i know he has those in store all the time) and im going to call the store and see if they have the Ampeg one so i can see what it's like firsthand :

I'd never invest such a large sum of money on something i hadn't even tried out

So dont worry xD Im going to try it out, but i still want to hear what you guys have to say. You are the experts, after all!

EDIT:
And they'll have all sorts of modelling amps as well, so ill make sure that i'll try them all, instead of blindly making a decision
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Quote by sg4ever
Strange, Guitar Centers were infested with head/cab and combo versions of the Renegade for years. I see them on Ebay all the time everyday. Maybe people are catching on??? A Fender Blues Deluxe with an MI Audio Crunch Box and a Tubescreamer will do everything you want, but I'm biased towards for amp distortion 90% of the time.

Maybe try a Peavey Classic 30. They can do the cleans wonderfully, and the overdrive should suit most rock and punk stuff.



I live in Denmark, so there are no Guitar Center ;( It hurts to live in the middle of nowhere... Also, i cant buy stuff from american Ebay, we have a special page thingy..

I don't have alot of options, and those i have dont offer any kinds of Egnater gear.
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What country? I see some.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=JCM800&_sacat=0&_from=R40

That said, for a first electric guitar purchase, something with only one channel may not be a good idea.

http://www.thomann.de/gb/laney_gh50l.htm
+
http://www.thomann.de/gb/laney_gs212ie.htm
Would be cool.

But should you really be aiming for a tube amp this early in the game? I always question that for people getting into it. You're not even really sure what tone you want, at this point in the game.


I would be looking at a modeling amp of some kinda, that will give you all sorts of tones so that way you can learn what you like.
Peavey Vypyrs are pretty popular these days.

That DT50, I've never played one, but it seems pretty neat.


Im from Denmark, so those items on the Ebay link that you sent; i cant buy those

I get what you are saying, but a guy replied with the suggestion of a Ampeg amp that seems to be able to play all kinds of different stuff, and with a couple of pedals on top, then i think i got what i need.

But i'd rather get something really good, than getting something that doesn't quite cut it, because i'll end up buying the real deal. It's just a matter of time, and since money is scarse (i got all the money from a birthday ) i'd rather not let anything "go to waste". I hope you get what im saying
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Well, I do it all the time, tbh.


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thomann has a pretty good price on the traynor ycv50b. might be worth considering. cheaper than the fender, and with a far better overdrive channel.
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^ true, but at the same time i'm not sure he needs that wide a variety of tones there, he only really needs a fendery clean tone and a more marshally drive tone.
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One of my friends has a YCV50 and tbh i don't think it sounds as good as the pricetag.. I haven't heard the Ampeg GVT52-112 firsthand, but what i heard on youtube was miles better than the YCV, and also cheaper..

But i guess it's just preference
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I have a dt 25 and can recommend it. I do a lot of covers and change genre a lot, so flexibility is a big plus for me. The sound quality is really good, quite a bit better than other modelling amps I've tried. I've also had the opportunity to play it beside an ac30 and a fender deluxe reverb, and yeah sure its not as good, but it DOES come close. Closr than the price difference would suggest. At its price point its really very good, and offers a lot of bang for the buck! Features and flexibility won out over sound purity for me. It sounds fantastic by itsedf its just the a/b comparison where you start to hear the differences. Its also got real tubes in its power stage. Unfortunately I haven't pushed them hard all that often due to neighbours etc. Its Loud!
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^ also, have you tried it yourself or just listened to him playing it?

fwiw i liked the 40 i tried, but as you say, personal preference does play a pretty big part. Objectively, though, i'd say it's a pretty killer amp for the money thomann sells it for- assuming you like its tone, lol.

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That's pretty fair.

I retubed my YCV40 the other day, that thing sounds awesome! If he gets the YCV50 Blue, I agree, he'd probably be pretty happy.




i've only tried the 40, but the schematics for each appear to be almost identical, apart from the power tubes (and speaker), so I'm guessing it'd work for what he wants
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Haven't played one in a while, but check out the Vox AC30. Classic cleans, classic crunch; beautiful amp.

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YCV50 or YCV40? They're different.


Well. I did write YCV50 ;D.. so that might just be the one...
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I have a dt 25 and can recommend it. I do a lot of covers and change genre a lot, so flexibility is a big plus for me. The sound quality is really good, quite a bit better than other modelling amps I've tried. I've also had the opportunity to play it beside an ac30 and a fender deluxe reverb, and yeah sure its not as good, but it DOES come close. Closr than the price difference would suggest. At its price point its really very good, and offers a lot of bang for the buck! Features and flexibility won out over sound purity for me. It sounds fantastic by itsedf its just the a/b comparison where you start to hear the differences. Its also got real tubes in its power stage. Unfortunately I haven't pushed them hard all that often due to neighbours etc. Its Loud!



Sounds real good, but actually, the Fender is cheaper... :/

And, if it doesn't sound as well, then what's the point?
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The Bad Cougar has a lot of sound options - http://www.thomann.de/gb/bad_cat_cougar_50.htm

and this one might be worth a look too - http://www.thomann.de/gb/ampeg_gvt52_112.htm

and this - http://www.thomann.de/gb/laney_lc30112n.htm
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