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dazza027
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#1
My annual new guitar purchase is about to happen and Ive narrowed it down to two Les Pauls, the Epiphone Les Paul Ultra 3 or the Gibson Les Paul Studio. Both are roughly the same price where I live, the Gibson is about $300 more but still within budget. The dilemma that I have is that the Gibson is, well, a Gibson and Ive wanted one for quite some time, however the Epiphone has more features than I would know what to do with, and sounds really good in the demo videos that Ive seen on youtube.
So, which one do you guys think I should go for? The Gibson because its a Gibson, or the Epi because its got more fruit on it?

(please don't suggest other options, unless theyre other Les Pauls that Ive possibly overlooked. Not interested in 'LP' shaped guitars either so no ESP's or Ltd's etc. The guitar I choose will be brand new and bought in Australia for under $1300. )
dannyalcatraz
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#2
In my family, we have what we call The Lesson of the Bose Speakers.

Back in the mid 1970s, my dad was putting together his dream stereo system. He got everything he wanted, but couldn't decide between the pricey Bose 901s he loved and the less expensive Marantz. He ultimately bought the Marantz.

...and 3 years later, bought some 901s.

Lesson: Buy what you love IF you can afford it. It will probably keep you from spending more because you bought something cheaper and remained unsatisfied.

Besides, though I respect Epiphones and might even buy one, odds are good that the comparably priced Gibson will be the objectively better guitar, just based on actual woods, hardware & pickups used. Its not a guarantee- Gibson has taken some hits to their reputation due to some lingering questions about their quality control, and there are pros who get good milage out of their Epis- but the odds are still in Gibson's favor.
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Can I just ask? Why do you want a 3rd LP?

You should get the one that sounds and feels better to you, forget brand names.
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dannyalcatraz
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#4
Can I just ask? Why do you want a 3rd LP?


Why not? I know guys who have 7 Strats, or 4 Gibson Vs, etc. (Not me.) People like what they like.
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GaryBillington
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#5
Get the Gibson Studio. It will make you forget you ever owned the Epiphones you already have.

Look at it this way, you said you've wanted a Gibson for some time. Buying another Epiphone will not stop you wanting a Gibson. Buying a 3rd Epiphone will simply mean you will still want a Gibson and one day you'll buy one. Sometime after that day, you'll realise you have 3 Epiphones sat around gathering dust because you never play them anymore. Get the Gibson now, and you'll only have 2 Epiphones sitting around doing nothing.
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dazza027
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Quote by Eppicurt
Can I just ask? Why do you want a 3rd LP?


I like the upper fret access...

Nah to be honest its the guitar I like, Ive gone through most shapes and the LP's just fit me best I guess. Neither of the ones I have now sound even similar, ones modded (bone nut, Ibanez super 70 pickups etc) a bit and the other is bog stock.
Mephaphil
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#7
Sounds like you know what you want in a guitar, which isn't a frequent occurance with these threads.

I agree with Danny.

Go for the Bose.
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Washu-chan
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#9
Was faced with a very similar dilemma just yesterday. Went in to GC looking for a Gibson LPJ, after doing an AB comparison of the LPJ and a silver burst Studio with coil tapping I went with the Studio. The LPJ was about half the cost of the studio but I knew in three months I'd be back for the studio. So it was Bose for me! The LPJ was a fine guitar for what it was but it wasn't what I really wanted.
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#10
One thing that I've learned is that everything's subjective when talking about guitars. You have to find what's good for you, and that may not be the same for others. Som play them both, don't mind brand names, just see wich one's more comfortable, see wich one sounds more like what you're expecting. Check the wood, the overall finish, and buy what pleases you more. And of course, tell us what you've bought after you've done it
gregs1020
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#11
why only new?

aussies have access to as good a used market as most of us in the US and they don't even know it.

consider a nice used LP from japan. edwards, tokai, greco, burny, fgn, bacchus, orville by gibson, etc.

all of them make/made great LP guitars with the correct open book headstock.
dazza027
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#12
Have already pondered that question gregs and will really only go down that path again if I can find a traditional or a standard that's in budget and in good condition.
dspellman
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#13
Buy the Gibson. That way you'll be able to say you've got one and you'll get that out of your system. Then you can go back to finding guitars that offer more bang for the buck.
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#14
Buy the Gibson. Buying the Epi won't stop you from wanting the Gibson but buying the Gibson will stop you from wanting the Epi.
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dazza027
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So as far as the Gibson goes, Im thinking maybe the gold top 60's tribute or if I can find one the 70's tribute with the humbuckers... I like the neck on my Classic but don't know what profile it is. I've had a go at a 70's tribute and felt comfortable with that neck too. My Custom has a fatter neck, not by very much and takes a little bit more effort to move around on but having said that is possibly easier to play. Any thoughts?
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#16
I hate to burst everyone's party bubble, but Bose speakers are crap. Pure, unadulterated crap. The Kilpsch Heritage line is what you want in a set of speakers. I used to think Bose 901s were the be all, end all until I heard a pair of Klipsch LaScalas back in college in the late 1970s.

I now own the very same pair of LaScalas I heard back in my college days that were hanging above a local bar for 25 years. Took me four days to strip the nicotine from them and get back down to the fine wood finish they're known for.

Also own a pair of Klipsch Cornwalls and a set of Acoustic Research AR3a. No Bose speaker anywhere can match any one of those sets of speakers. Oh, and I drive them all with McIntosh amplifiers. No better combination anywhere.

I say go for the Klipsch! Get the Gibson Les Paul Studio, but don't buy it unless you can play it first.
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dannyalcatraz
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#17
What + Ever = my ears differ from yours.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

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Quote by dannyalcatraz
What + Ever = my ears differ from yours.
If you heard my pair of 1968 Acoustic Research AR3a speakers you'd like them. Back in the day they were used in studios as monitors as they reproduce sound like no other speaker. You hear it exactly like it was recorded. There's a pair of them in the Smithsonian Institute .

The AR-3 was subsequently replaced by the AR-3a, with a new dome midrange and tweeter reduced in dimensions, for even better mid and high frequency dispersion. On September 13, 1993 an AR-3 was placed on permanent display in the Information Age Exhibit of National Museum of American History at The Smithsonian Institution in Washington, DC.
Bose = marketing hype.
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dannyalcatraz
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#19
There's a pair of them in the Smithsonian Institute .

Yay, them!


Other than the fact that they were donated by the writer Tom Tyson, I cannot find any actual information as to why they are on exhibit. And "why" matters.

Movado has a watch on permanent display at the Museum of Modern art. The only thing on its face besides 2 hands is a gold dot at the 12 o' clock position. Its great art- and I wish I had one- but for telling time with any precision? Useless. It is a triumph of design over function.

And it is for its design aesthetics that it is ensconced in the museum's permanent collection, not its equally demonstrable quality engineering.
Bose = marketing hype.


Having actually heard the difference between the Bose and other speakers- including hearing things on my father's system that were not audible when those same pieces were played on the systems of others*- I'll disagree with that.

Even Assuming, arguendo, that they are superior speakers, that is insufficient to say that Bose suck or their successes are the result of marketing hype. Just because a Honda isn't a Ferrarri (picking 2 at random) does not mean that the Honda isn't a quality vehicle.


* even did some A/B comparison with music I know quite intimately
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

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alhaq369
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Mephaphil
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#20
Quote by David Stein
I hate to burst everyone's party bubble, but Bose speakers are crap. Pure, unadulterated crap. The Kilpsch Heritage line is what you want in a set of speakers. I used to think Bose 901s were the be all, end all until I heard a pair of Klipsch LaScalas back in college in the late 1970s.

I now own the very same pair of LaScalas I heard back in my college days that were hanging above a local bar for 25 years. Took me four days to strip the nicotine from them and get back down to the fine wood finish they're known for.

Also own a pair of Klipsch Cornwalls and a set of Acoustic Research AR3a. No Bose speaker anywhere can match any one of those sets of speakers. Oh, and I drive them all with McIntosh amplifiers. No better combination anywhere.

I say go for the Klipsch! Get the Gibson Les Paul Studio, but don't buy it unless you can play it first.


Someone missed the point, hmm?
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dannyalcatraz
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#21
Oh, I think he got it, he just wants to crap around by interjecting his preferred speaker brand. Like it was a "Whose tallywhacker is bigger?" contest as opposed to just a RW anecdote and the lesson learned therefrom.

Taking it further, one could assert that, even if Klipsch is demonstrably better than Bose on certain perameters, we could just as easily find a brand of guitar that is demonstrably better on several perameters than Gibson. Like QC. Or playing by the same rules as other guitar makers vis a vis the importation and use of rare materials. Etc.

So even if he wishes to toot his favorite tweeters & woofers, his alteration of analogy may be undermined by Gibson possibly not being the pinnacle of guitar production.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

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alhaq369
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Mephaphil
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#22
The quality of the speaker is irrelevant.

It's just a metaphor.
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dazza027
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#23
****en thread Hijackers... Ok, so, plain studio, 60's tribute or 70's tribute... Ive had a go at the 70's and like it. Ive also had play of the BFG for what that matters and considered it to be a heap of shit. Don't care about your speakers, mine are shitty old Sony's....
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#24
Keep trying them until you find the one you fall in love with - you'll know it when you find it.

I tried loads, Standards, Customs, etc. before eventually finding my Worn Brown Studio and bonding with it the instant I played it in the shop. To think I almost didn't even bother trying it because it was a 1/4 of the cost of some of the others....
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dazza027
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#25
In that case, I have my one true love in my epi classic birds eye trans amber...
GaryBillington
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#26
If that's what you conclude after shopping around & playing loads of Gibsons (and as many other makes as you can find), then at least you'll know the answer.

And if you truly feel that way about it, don't waste your money buying another guitar that will be left on the shelf whilst you stick with what you already had.
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gregs1020
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#27
Quote by dazza027
In that case, I have my one true love in my epi classic birds eye trans amber...


but it doesn't say gibson on the headstock. in all seriousness, will that bother you over time?

people are very brand conscience, and they have every right to be. i am as well with some things.

if you are happy with the epi then great, but it seems like you really want a gibson.

good luck either way.
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#28
Quote by gregs1020
but it doesn't say gibson on the headstock. in all seriousness, will that bother you over time?

people are very brand conscience, and they have every right to be. i am as well with some things.

if you are happy with the epi then great, but it seems like you really want a gibson.

good luck either way.
I own high end Gibsons, an American Strat, and one Epiphone 339 Pro. The Epi 339 Pro is probably my favorite of all of them. Would be tied with my new 2013 Firebird V if the Firebird didn't have QA issues. The Epi fit, finish, and playability are absolutely perfect and that in consideration of the fact that I will never buy another Chinese instrument of any kind.

Just can't believe that the Chinese can produce an instrument that is as fine as the 339 Pro I have for U.S. MSRP of $399. I only paid $349 for mine with holiday discounts between Thanksgiving and Christmas of last year.

As I've aged, brands do mean less to me, but they are important as concerns new instruments and their future resale value. Doubtful my Chinese Epi will fetch vintage prices of today's vintage instruments forty years from now.

Get the guitar that you like best, looks best to you, and plays the best of them all regardless of brand if future resale value isn't a consideration.
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#29
Get the Bose.
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Ippon
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#30
If you encounter the discontinued Gibson Studio Premium Plus, make sure to check them out. I've seen Used ones in minty (like new) condition that are very nicely-priced. Very beautiful and very nice feel.
dazza027
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#31
Ok, so Ive been looking on the Musicians friend website and have seen a Gibson studio deluxe 2 for between 895 and 1100 before shipping which would add $200 I guess. They have the 490R in the neck and a burstbucker in the bridge position, are coil splitable and have a 10db boost function when you really need the brootz. Anyone got one or played one and what did you think?
KenG
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#32
Don't buy from GC buy from a real Vendor like Sweetwater, HOG, etc.
Moving on.....
gregs1020
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#33
Quote by KenG
Don't buy from GC buy from a real Vendor like Sweetwater, HOG, etc.

i think the matter is that he wants it shipped to australia.

but i didn't think they (GC/MF/SA) could do that on new gear, i thought they could only ship used out of north america.
dazza027
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#35
Ok, so unbelieveably, a local store has dropped their Gibson pricing to sane levels in an effort to fight off the internet. So now that they offer internet based prices and are starting to shift some stock, Ive been in a few times to have a look. Ive kind of got my eye on a LP 60's tribute goldtop with the P90's. Anyone got one? What are the P90's like? Hopefully making the purchase later this week...
gregs1020
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#36
i had one of the 60's tributes, a goldtop p-90 guitar.

when i bought it i compared it to a few others. one had a 4 piece back, another a 3, and the last one was a 2 piece back. i grabbed the two piece back.

the stock pick ups were a lot better than i expected, quite good actually. generally i'm not a big fan of most gibson pick ups but those would be nice enough not to bother changing imo.

check it over good, mine had paint on the sides, which shouldn't have been there. didn't bother me at the time, but someone else would have seen it as a flaw, qc issue, etc.

here they go for $650 new now that they've price dropped. not sure if that matters since you aren't here.

bang for the buck, a great guitar at the price imo. but get a hardshell les paul case for it, not a generic "fits everything" type case. (those usually don't fit an angled headstock or the lp body correctly) on the cheap the epi LP case is decent.
dazza027
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#37
That's a good price... they actually make a big deal of selling a USA made Melody Maker for less than a grand over here... Its ALMOST worth getting one shipped from the states and still saving 300 bucks to fix any problems with it locally, even taking shipping into consideration...
KenG
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#38
Our local Guitar works was selling Melody Makers last Xmas for $599. After seeing them I wouldn't pay more than $200-250 if you could even convince me to buy one. The juniors however were much more guitar IMO.
When I bought my 1st Epiphone it was the Elitist 57 Gold Top made in 2004. I asked to have one shipped in based on a review in Guitar Player. The other EPI they reviewed in the same article was the original Ultra. It did not score well compared to the Elitist and I was very happy with my 57 for 6 years till I stepped up to a genuine Gibson LP.
I'm sure they've made improvements over the years but the Ultra is gimmicky to me & over-priced. Epiphone has some other models that spec-wise appear better for much less. The tribute for one with real Gibson 57s in it, hardshell case and switchcraft toggle with good pots/caps and good tuners and is something along $599 new.
Moving on.....
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dazza027
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#39
It looks like I may have done a deal to swap my Epi Custom and $500AU for a 1 year old Gibson LP Studio 60's tribute in honeyburst with the P90's.
dazza027
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#40
For anyone who gives two toots, Ive ordered a Gibson LP Studio 60's Tribute with the gold top and dark back and Burstbuckers. The company (and the importer for that matter) is waiting on a shipment from the US and it should be here in 3 to 5 weeks depending on customs etc. Its costing me $66 a month for 36 months which is a bit steep but its 'leased' until the end of the contract and is 100% covered against damage, workmanship etc as well as the Gibson warranty so if it does anything I can just swap it for a new one and rock on. The one I mentioned above kind of fell through, the money didn't materialise but the guy said he's not going anywhere soon and is happy to do the deal at a latter date so I'm happy with that. Could well end up with two LP studios, both 60's tributes but one with hot humbuckers and the other with P90's. Lucky I love LP's hey...