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#1
Since there was a thread about production you like, post production you don't like.

For me, I don't like when production is so well done and "perfect" that to me, it just becomes very sterile.

I like a lot of Steely Dan's stuff. And their music is very well produced, well balanced, etc. But it just is so bland and dry. It's my least favorite aspect of their music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUxDFt4fo60

Also, I don't know if it came from compressing or what, but on the Strokes album (especially "Youre So Right," by far the worst track), everything just feels so small. I prefer their sound on Room On Fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-5Tdlhmh0Y
#3
I can't be doing with the stuff Blake and Due listen to where people deliberately mix like shit. I don't understand the appeal of it at all
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I can't be doing with the stuff Blake and Due listen to where people deliberately mix like shit. I don't understand the appeal of it at all
I don't know what bands they like, but is it that "We're quirky and lo-fi" shit?
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I can't be doing with the stuff Blake and Due listen to where people deliberately mix like shit. I don't understand the appeal of it at all

I've always kind of been off-put by that, too. I remember asking a friend of mine "Are they supposed to be singing out of key?"

The answer was yes, sadly. But I digress.

Also, all Steely Dan sounds the same to me.

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#7
I just really hate really dry sounding (most Bowie albums, Stooges, Joy Division) and really perfect sounding (newer Rick Rubin stuff)
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A lot of people don't seem to like Andy Sneap's stuff but I do, so suprised he hasn't been mentioned

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I mentioned this in a similar thread this morning, but I really hate the type of ultra slick, squeaky clean production that a lot of modern metal bands, particularly tech death bands like Obscura and "symphonic" metal bands like Dimmu Borgir and Nightwish. Dragonforce and Wintersun are two more examples. They basically take all the grit and punch out of everything to make everything sound crystal clear and totally sterile.

With death metal in particular, it is not pretty music and therefore shouldn't have pretty music production. Like I said, there should be grit and punch in there because that is how the music is and so the production should reflect that.

Again, Tomb of the Mutilated and Effigy of the Forgotten have pretty ideal production for a death metal album. Really, anything that Scott Burns has produced is great. I would go as far to say that he is probably the single greatest death metal producer, and I know that quite a few of the Metal Forum regulars would back me on that one.

At the same time a lot of black metal has atrocious production on purpose and generally it's pretty awful. As far as black metal production goes, it should be a bit cold and harsh and lo-fi but it shouldn't sound like trash. In the Nightside Eclipse really hits the nail with the perfect balance as far as black metal production. Most of the 90s viking metal bands (Falkenbach, Enslaved, Mithotyn, etc) really do a great job with this as well.

Like I said in that other thread, more than anything else the important thing with production is that it fits with the music.
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I don't know what bands they like, but is it that "We're quirky and lo-fi" shit?


I don't know what bands he's talking about either, but I too don't like intentionally low-quality/old-fashioned/whatever produced tracks. All of the small bands I've heard that legitimately cannot afford any better production quality have music that would have benefited from better production.
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#12
Quote by willT08
I can't be doing with the stuff Blake and Due listen to where people deliberately mix like shit. I don't understand the appeal of it at all


**** them, they listen to pussy shit. This is where it's at:



OT: Honestly, I'm fine with most album productions.

EDIT: ^I feel that Nightside could be a bit cleaner since some of the guitar tracks get lost. It does have that really nice "frosty" sound, though.
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#13
Quote by willT08
I can't be doing with the stuff Blake and Due listen to where people deliberately mix like shit. I don't understand the appeal of it at all

It's different.
I prefer lo-fi recordings, just a matter of taste.
#14
I hate Steely Dan but I like that production.

The production on Angles is pretty bad though yeah.

I also like lo-fi production but I don't like music where the people think having lo-fi production gives them the right to sound like shit.
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#15
i really can't think of any, except flawless ultra-clean production, and really shitty black metal production
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It's different.
I prefer lo-fi recordings, just a matter of taste.

Yeah but it's not different as a result of experimentation or innovation, it seems to me that it's pure romanticism.

Same with people who say "Oh vinyl sounds SO much better". Clearly they just have some personal romanticism of vinyl as a format, and I think it's the same idea of it being anti-digital perfection that people romanticize lo-fi production for.
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Quote by willT08
Yeah but it's not different as a result of experimentation or innovation, it seems to me that it's pure romanticism.

Same with people who say "Oh vinyl sounds SO much better". Clearly they just have some personal romanticism of vinyl as a format, and I think it's the same idea of it being anti-digital perfection that people romanticize lo-fi production for.

It can sound cool. This is my favorite song as far as production goes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u84f2wdl6f4
#19
i don't like it when things are over produced

it takes all the soul out of the recording
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i don't like it when things are over produced

it takes all the soul out of the recording

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#22
I can see the hate for slick productions, though I'm kind of a fan of that since I love the production in some Butch Vig stuff like Siamese Dream and Nevermind, though I also love the sound of Paul Westerberg's post-2001 solo albums which were recorded in his basement and sound like it, some of those songs did have a great sound to it (though I did kind of hate the two or 3 songs he had where he ran out of tape and said "fuck it, I'll release the song like that").
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lol@u

i prefer minimal production what's wrong with that?
#27
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i prefer minimal production what's wrong with that?

thinking it retains some mystical 'soul' of the music. As if it survives the trip from the instruments to the amps, through the air, through the mic and through the board - but it's the addition of too many plugins that kills the soul
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I mentioned this in a similar thread this morning, but I really hate the type of ultra slick, squeaky clean production that a lot of modern metal bands, particularly tech death bands like Obscura and "symphonic" metal bands like Dimmu Borgir and Nightwish. Dragonforce and Wintersun are two more examples. They basically take all the grit and punch out of everything to make everything sound crystal clear and totally sterile.

With death metal in particular, it is not pretty music and therefore shouldn't have pretty music production. Like I said, there should be grit and punch in there because that is how the music is and so the production should reflect that.

Again, Tomb of the Mutilated and Effigy of the Forgotten have pretty ideal production for a death metal album. Really, anything that Scott Burns has produced is great. I would go as far to say that he is probably the single greatest death metal producer, and I know that quite a few of the Metal Forum regulars would back me on that one.

At the same time a lot of black metal has atrocious production on purpose and generally it's pretty awful. As far as black metal production goes, it should be a bit cold and harsh and lo-fi but it shouldn't sound like trash. In the Nightside Eclipse really hits the nail with the perfect balance as far as black metal production. Most of the 90s viking metal bands (Falkenbach, Enslaved, Mithotyn, etc) really do a great job with this as well.

Like I said in that other thread, more than anything else the important thing with production is that it fits with the music.



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#29
Quote by willT08
thinking it retains some mystical 'soul' of the music. As if it survives the trip from the instruments to the amps, through the air, through the mic and through the board - but it's the addition of too many plugins that kills the soul

i don't mean it has a literal soul, maybe a better word would be vibe

but there is definitely a certain quality, that can otherwise be lost, in the retention of imperfections of the original recording
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#31
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i don't mean it has a literal soul, maybe a better word would be vibe

but there is definitely a certain quality, that can otherwise be lost, in the retention of imperfections of the original recording


It sounds raw and more aggressive.
#32
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It sounds raw and more aggressive.

well it depends on the style of music and how it was recorded but it certainly sounds more natural
#33
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well it depends on the style of music and how it was recorded but it certainly sounds more natural


You mean, it sounds more like a live gig would?
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You mean, it sounds more like a live gig would?

well not necessarily like a live gig because often time venues will have less than stellar acoustics

but i think if you can retain some sense of being in the recording room then you're doing it right.
#36
Saying "takes the soul out of it" kinda makes you sound like that middle school loser that most of us were at one point
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#38
i think my favorite production is that comically compressed electro house stuff.
#39
I like a really good analog sounding production.


on the other hand there is stuff like PTH where the band is sick but i want to punch the overproduced sound in the fukin face
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well not necessarily like a live gig because often time venues will have less than stellar acoustics

but i think if you can retain some sense of being in the recording room then you're doing it right.


Huh. I've never heard of it being described that way.
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