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dog_style
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#1
to maybe help reduce non musicians who join to goof around with posts, and maybe pull in and keep more musicians who don't see a bunch of what may be considered junk threads or junk replies.
just a thought.
pushingthrough
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#3
Essential to the site. As stated, it gives an outlet to the community for more divergent topics, keeping the other forums on focus. There are plenty of forums for EVERYTHING guitar related. I dont think one free for all forum detracts from the site. I actually like reading through them its good entertainment sometimes!!!
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#4
how about stopping it from appearing on the front page? or am i the only sucker who pays attention to that section?
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#5
All forums have something like 'the pit'. If forums didn't have a pit-type part then people would be signed up to around 1,000 different specific forums just to ask people "what's the weirdest thing you've seen an animal hump?"
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#6
I think it's fine. Most major internet forums have similar off-topic places where regulars can go troll and joke around. It's not for everyone but it's better than having those posts in the more serious forums.
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#7
Did you really just join or did you lose your old account and re-sign up? Because this is a fairly strong question for someone who has only been on this site for a month at most. It's a rather pointless question at that, if you don't want to go to the pit, don't go there. Nobody is forcing you to read or reply in the pit, and other people thoroughly enjoy the off-topic discussions with like-minded people (musicians tend to agree on certain things) If you look on any other guitar-related site, they all have off-topic forums too.
dog_style
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#8
Quote by severed-metal
People need an outlet so they don't spam other forums with their idiocy.


well they could find forums they relate to more so. like religious, relationship or political forums, etc. it seems kinda pointless for non musicians to join and post with lets say relationship topics so often when there are forum sites specifically for that.
when a relationship thread is started it gets hundreds of replies but when a thread is started about joining a band it gets a few replies.
that tells me that with all the hundreds of thousands of musicians in the u.s. alone they are not posting on these forums at all after reading it or anymore after they experience too much junk.
if other sites have problems with spam then they can deal with their/that problem how they see fit.
dog_style
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#9
Quote by pushingthrough
Essential to the site. As stated, it gives an outlet to the community for more divergent topics, keeping the other forums on focus. There are plenty of forums for EVERYTHING guitar related. I dont think one free for all forum detracts from the site. I actually like reading through them its good entertainment sometimes!!!


however, the internet is already very diverse with all kinds of forum sites you can enjoy visiting very easily for that specific topic. with only musician sections on this site then i would think non musicians would find the site fairly useless to them and boring, thus not tempting them to post in musicians sections to just goof around with musicians when talking about non musician stuff.
nothings to stop them from joining to do that anyway, but i think my idea would greatly reduce that.
it's not like other sites have a musicians section to be more diverse.
dog_style
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#10
Quote by link no1
All forums have something like 'the pit'. If forums didn't have a pit-type part then people would be signed up to around 1,000 different specific forums just to ask people "what's the weirdest thing you've seen an animal hump?"


it wouldn't be 1000 forums. people only wanna talk about the same things. religion, racial things, politics, relationships, automobiles, houses, cooking, pets.
even if there are 100 different type of forum sites on the net, so what? there's plenty of room for them. people can easily find them on with an engine search, and if they are serious posters they can join and post.
if people have one question about pets, they would most likely have a lot more than one and also answer questions.
dog_style
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#11
Quote by tukk04
Did you really just join or did you lose your old account and re-sign up? Because this is a fairly strong question for someone who has only been on this site for a month at most. It's a rather pointless question at that, if you don't want to go to the pit, don't go there. Nobody is forcing you to read or reply in the pit, and other people thoroughly enjoy the off-topic discussions with like-minded people (musicians tend to agree on certain things) If you look on any other guitar-related site, they all have off-topic forums too.

you completely missed the point. it's not about me not wanting to go to the pit, it's about pit people who fill up the musicians section with spam and helping reduce that, and so actual musicians will see less of that and take a chance with a forums that seems more serious than not, and stay if they join.
how long i been a member is irrelevant if my point is valid. you did reply, perhaps because you are a non musician who is offended or threatened by this. i wonder that because you say how other guitar sites do that, and what i learn from musicians is they usually don't do what everyone does just because everyone else does and believe that makes it okay.
there's nothing wrong with being unique. musicians know this and take pride in that. if a guitar or musicians site only had musicians sections, what would that be like?
hard to say for me or you being it hasn't happened yet. yet these types of sites are not very busy with all the musicians around often doing nothing in between musician stuff.
dog_style
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#13
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screw you

i like the pit

no thanks, i'm not gay...and if i were, i wouldn't be that desperate.

i also expect non musicians to like the pit, everyone wants to be cool and hang with musicians if not be one them self. and that's okay, so long as they don't try and get involved with musicians taking care of musicians business too much.
Malchius
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#14
There are are plenty of other guitar forums that don't have an equivalent of the pit and they are in no where near as active as UG's non pit section.

Go to one of them if you don't like the pit.
Last edited by Malchius at Jun 7, 2013,
supersac
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#15
Quote by dog_style
no thanks, i'm not gay...and if i were, i wouldn't be that desperate.

i also expect non musicians to like the pit, everyone wants to be cool and hang with musicians if not be one them self. and that's okay, so long as they don't try and get involved with musicians taking care of musicians business too much.



youre obviously not gay
the gays love me!

but seriously youre taking this way more seriously than anyone else
site is fun and peopole will comment on what they will
you can get plenty of help on here and mess around with people who have similar opiions and interests
and th epit has helped many a people here myself included
dog_style
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#16
Quote by Malchius
There are are plenty of other guitar forums that don't have an equivalent of the pit and they are in no where near as active as UG's non pit section.

Go to one of them if you don't like the pit.


i haven't seen one. don't post me a link either. i'll search for one again, but if it's dead as hell then i won't bother. maybe i'm wrong. who's to say for sure?
dog_style
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#17
Quote by supersac
youre obviously not gay
the gays love me!

but seriously youre taking this way more seriously than anyone else
site is fun and peopole will comment on what they will
you can get plenty of help on here and mess around with people who have similar opiions and interests
and th epit has helped many a people here myself included


i find it interesting when people are self proclaimed about who loves them, especially when these people haven't even told them they loved them. but maybe it's true the way you bop up and down like that and with your body shape.

there's that overly common comment about how i am not doing what everyone else is doing, like i should. that's not how musicians think, don't ever forget that.
i know i can do those things you're talking about on this sute, but i'm just thinking about improving the site with getting more musicians here rather than more non musicians because there are not many musicians here from what i would expect.
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#19
Quote by dog_style
i find it interesting when people are self proclaimed about who loves them, especially when these people haven't even told them they loved them. but maybe it's true the way you bop up and down like that and with your body shape.


I find self-proclaimed musicians very interesting
Hydra150
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#21
Quote by dog_style

i also expect non musicians to like the pit, everyone wants to be cool and hang with musicians if not be one them self. and that's okay, so long as they don't try and get involved with musicians taking care of musicians business too much.

fact is, a lot of people joined this site for musical/guitar related advice or tabs, and a lot of them lost interest in taking guitar seriously as they got older
but they were already members of this community at that point, and theres no reason they shouldn't stay as part of this community, they just moved on to mostly posting in The Pit (and maybe whatever B&A forum takes their fancy).
you're basically asking UG to say goodbye to the most active part of it's forum community, which makes no sense from a businesses point of view
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adamgur96
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#22
Basically what everyone else said.

And try to look at what you're saying here TS, you basically just joined and you're trying to change a big chunk of the site. In over 12 years i think Zappp and the other admins know what they're doing.
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#23
Quote by severed-metal
People need an outlet so they don't spam other forums with their idiocy.



There's a solution for that. SPAM another forum with your stupidity and you win a warning. Do it again and you win a temp ban. Do it again and you win the ultimate prize - perma ban.

Someone else mentioned that all the other sites have their version of The Pit. I don't think so. TDPRI has their Bad Dog Cafe, but it comes nowhere close to the garbage that shows up in The Pit.
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#24
Quote by dog_style
you completely missed the point. it's not about me not wanting to go to the pit, it's about pit people who fill up the musicians section with spam

They really don't, it's against the rules. The pit abides by the pit rules, but if you take that attitude anywhere else you will be warned/banned, I know from experience. I like being around the guitar related parts of the site, discussing gear and the likes, and then also mucking about in the pit. I wouldn't be interested in taking off-top inquiries to other forums, because a large portion of what makes the pit great is simply reading these posts from people you know and love, or love to hate.

Quote by dog_style

how long i been a member is irrelevant if my point is valid.

But it is relevant, because if you've only been here a month you haven't had the time to get to know and be part of this community. And community is really the key word here.
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#25
Quote by dog_style
it seems kinda pointless for non musicians to join and post with lets say relationship topics so often when there are forum sites specifically for that.



You think non-musicians are joining a forum on ultimate-guitar.com just to post in the off-topic board?


D'ok.
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#27
Basically any forum on any specific subject (be it music, flyfishing, videogames or navel fluff collecting) has an off-topic section. It may sound odd to you, but some people like discussing other things as well, in any community really. As for pit-frequenters 'spamming' the other boards... If that's even a thing, that's a problem mods are supposed to care of, and I think they do their job quite well.
Tell me who's that writin'...
Hydra150
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#28
Quote by KG6_Steven
There's a solution for that. SPAM another forum with your stupidity and you win a warning. Do it again and you win a temp ban. Do it again and you win the ultimate prize - perma ban.

That is what happens (well, not a perma ban the first time). I see no problem.
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and all you can do is just wait by the moon
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dog_style
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#30
Quote by Hydra150
fact is, a lot of people joined this site for musical/guitar related advice or tabs, and a lot of them lost interest in taking guitar seriously as they got older
but they were already members of this community at that point, and theres no reason they shouldn't stay as part of this community, they just moved on to mostly posting in The Pit (and maybe whatever B&A forum takes their fancy).
you're basically asking UG to say goodbye to the most active part of it's forum community, which makes no sense from a businesses point of view


i see what you mean, especially about the tab part.
dog_style
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#31
Quote by adamgur96
Basically what everyone else said.

And try to look at what you're saying here TS, you basically just joined and you're trying to change a big chunk of the site. In over 12 years i think Zappp and the other admins know what they're doing.


that doesn't mean a good idea may not still come their way.
Hydra150
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#32
Not too likely that it'll come from you, though.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
dog_style
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#33
Quote by Kylianvb
Basically any forum on any specific subject (be it music, flyfishing, videogames or navel fluff collecting) has an off-topic section. It may sound odd to you, but some people like discussing other things as well, in any community really. As for pit-frequenters 'spamming' the other boards... If that's even a thing, that's a problem mods are supposed to care of, and I think they do their job quite well.


i would think that if there were more musicians here that musicians would mainly (if not only) talk about music because often they seem to eat, breathe and live music, their music that they create, their band, etc.
but there doesn't seem to be much action with musicians doing that here, not as much as i would expect.
another question is why aren't there more (tons) of musicians on this site with the thousands there are out there. what's keeping them away? many are not always out gigging and what not and could be doing something constructive with their music here in the meantime.
i could imagine that many non musicians will join here because they feel more cool being around a main musicians forum on the net.
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#34
I'm a serious musician here at UG. I ask for help and provide it every now and then. I hate the pit. But I'm still okay with it and I understand it's purpose. And I have never during my years here seen a pit dweller troll any of the serious forums here, they keep their offtopic in the pit and I see no problem with that.
dog_style
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#35
Quote by guitar/bass95
I'm a serious musician here at UG. I ask for help and provide it every now and then. I hate the pit. But I'm still okay with it and I understand it's purpose. And I have never during my years here seen a pit dweller troll any of the serious forums here, they keep their offtopic in the pit and I see no problem with that.

i've seen some possible non musician people that seem suspiciously clever about trolling here.

but if non musicians wanna join just to be cool and only play in the pit and talk about relationships, racism, religion and boring subjects like that, then maybe they should consider taking up an instrument. it's not hard to buy at least an affordable acoustic guitar at a music store and learn some basic chords to bang around with just for fun if nothing more, i'm pretty sure they'd get more serious about the musicians section then.

just another though.
Hydra150
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#36
Quote by dog_style
i've seen some possible non musician people that seem suspiciously clever about trolling here.

but if non musicians wanna join just to be cool and only play in the pit and talk about relationships, racism, religion and boring subjects like that, then maybe they should consider taking up an instrument. it's not hard to buy at least an affordable acoustic guitar at a music store and learn some basic chords to bang around with just for fun if nothing more, i'm pretty sure they'd get more serious about the musicians section then.

just another though.

Your sounding pretty elitist there, mate. This is a social website, not a pro-musician only members club.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
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#37
Lets see...

TS has so far, in this topic, made:

1 quadruple post
1 double post
1 triple post (which would have been another quadruple post if it wasn't for Hydra150)

It isn't that hard to make multiple quotes in one post. If you can't even respect forum rules, why should we take your drastic suggestions seriously?
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Malchius
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#38
Quote by JimDawson
Lets see...

TS has so far, in this topic, made:

1 quadruple post
1 double post
1 triple post (which would have been another quadruple post if it wasn't for Hydra150)

It isn't that hard to make multiple quotes in one post. If you can't even respect forum rules, why should we take your drastic suggestions seriously?


He's also necro'd about 4 threads today, this being one of them. This is like a baker telling a mechanic how to fix a car with marzipan.
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#39
Quote by dog_style
i've seen some possible non musician people that seem suspiciously clever about trolling here.

but if non musicians wanna join just to be cool and only play in the pit and talk about relationships, racism, religion and boring subjects like that, then maybe they should consider taking up an instrument. it's not hard to buy at least an affordable acoustic guitar at a music store and learn some basic chords to bang around with just for fun if nothing more, i'm pretty sure they'd get more serious about the musicians section then.

just another though.


To be honest, I don't see the problem. If they want to discuss that stuff let them.

I'm actually wondering if you're a non-musician who's good at trolling, as you stated earlier.
You seem to miss the point of a community, yes this site is a guitar site, but people may want to discuss other topics with people of a like mind to themselves.
I personally enjoy the pit because the threads there give me information for something I wouldn't otherwise learn.

Overall, I think this is a poor suggestion.
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#40
Quote by JimDawson
Lets see...

TS has so far, in this topic, made:

1 quadruple post
1 double post
1 triple post (which would have been another quadruple post if it wasn't for Hydra150)

It isn't that hard to make multiple quotes in one post. If you can't even respect forum rules, why should we take your drastic suggestions seriously?


Exactly what I came to say here.

Quote by Malchius
He's also necro'd about 4 threads today, this being one of them. This is like a baker telling a mechanic how to fix a car with marzipan.




Oh and TS, who are you to say that who is a musician and who isn't?
What are the standards to be a musician from your point of view?

And to add, pretty much everyone has said it here, pretty much every forum has an off-topic section. Why not discuss off-topic stuff with people that you've met here? You'd need to take their e-mails or ask them to come to the other forum you're on. I'd be far too lazy for that.

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Someone else mentioned that all the other sites have their version of The Pit. I don't think so. TDPRI has their Bad Dog Cafe, but it comes nowhere close to the garbage that shows up in The Pit.


Yes, that's unfortunately very true.
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