#1
Hi everyone.

I have bought brand new ESP guitar, signature series
ESP Esa Holopainen SUN, Tune-matic system

The problem is - it awfully detunes, I thought Sperzel Locking Tuners are good enough but I have a problem now. I use Dean Markley 10-52 strings if it help.
At first I thought I over wrapped strings, right now it wrapped to minimum.
Guitar is tuned one step down for all the strings.


Looking for help and advise, thx!
Last edited by xakcuc at Jun 9, 2013,
#2
Sorry just to clarify, is your guitar going out of tune or are you having problems detuning it?
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#3
It's going out of tune, yeah. Sorry for unclear message.

It really puzzles me, guitar is rather expensive, signature, I don't think lockers are bad, hope so. All guitar parts are good enough I guess.

Neck is ok, it sounds good, so tuning problem kills me.
Last edited by xakcuc at Jun 9, 2013,
#4
Are you pulling all of the string slack through and then locking the tuner or are you actually winding the strings around the tuner?
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#5
First time I did it wrong, it's my first guitar with locking tuners, I winded string around the tuner for too much. Right now there's almoust no winding at all, I pulled the string through, locked it and tuned. There's no full wrap around the tuner now, just a half wrap.
#6
Wrapping around a locking tuner won’t make the tuning less stable. Have you tried stretching these strings? Because if the strings aren’t popping out of the tuners then their length isn’t changing because of the tuners. If you have locking tuners and the tuning isn’t stable then the problem is that the strings are stretching.
#7
I stretched my strings just after first tuning and some time after, maybe I should try another set of strings, just to make it clear that strings are ok.
#8
let me guess it is the low EAD strings that are going out of tune huh?

Did you have the nut re-slotted for the 10-52ga strings? Your wound strings are most likely binding in the nut if you did not do this.

Also did you reset the intonation and neck relif after you changed string gauge?
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Quote by Robbgnarly
let me guess it is the low EAD strings that are going out of tune huh?

Did you have the nut re-slotted for the 10-52ga strings? Your wound strings are most likely binding in the nut if you did not do this.

Also did you reset the intonation and neck relif after you changed string gauge?


That guitar comes with 10–46, no need to change the setup for 10-52.
#10
Robbgnarly, main problem with the treble strings E-B-G in standart, EAD strings are less cousing trouble, but going out of tune also.

I showed my guitar to the most skilled guitarist I know, he said that neck is ok and all screws in the saddle are in the right position.

Please explain about "reset the intonation" thing.
#11
Quote by jpnyc
That guitar comes with 10–46, no need to change the setup for 10-52.

I still would check just to be certain
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#12
Quote by xakcuc
Robbgnarly, main problem with the treble strings E-B-G in standart, EAD strings are less cousing trouble, but going out of tune also.

I showed my guitar to the most skilled guitarist I know, he said that neck is ok and all screws in the saddle are in the right position.

Please explain about "reset the intonation" thing.

When you set the intonation you are making it so the open sound of the string is the same note as when you play that string while fretting the 12th.

This makes all the notes on the fret-board correct and the guitar will sound proper. You do this by moving the saddle forwards or backwards to compensate

how are you wrapping the strings on the tuners?
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Last edited by Robbgnarly at Jun 10, 2013,
#13
Are you stringing your guitar like this?




Doing this will help narrow down the problem if it doesn't eliminate it.
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#14
Offworld92, thx for advise, I'll try it that way.
Robbgnarly, saddles are ok, all frets sounds proper. Do you advise to string the guitar the way on pic?

Right now it's done like this - I pulled the string through, locked it and tuned. There's no winding around the tuner at all, I guess.
Last edited by xakcuc at Jun 11, 2013,
#16
I would put at least one wrap around the peg. It could help.

Leave some slack, tune it up, then lock it last. Don't lock then tune.
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#17
It sounds like your strings may be binding at the nut. Try lubricating the nut (graphite would work well too) and see if that helps at all.
#18
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Are those locking tuners? are you tightening the lock well enough? un-wound strings can slip much easier than wound strings with locking tuners.

Also if they are locking tuners (they look like sperzel to me) try winding like the picture anyway to see if the issue stops

If not you need to re-string like the picture above

If they are locking tuners try pencil shavings in the nut slot (this is graphite )

I only have locking tuners on my PRS and all my other guitars are strung like the picture Offworld posted. The locking tuners on the GBE strings wants to slip if the lock is not screwed down properly some times.
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Last edited by Robbgnarly at Jun 11, 2013,
#19
Robbgnarly, yeah these are sperzel locking tuners. I'll try to wind my strings like it is done on the picture.
And I'll try to do smth with the nut, graphite or lubricate you say?
My previous guitar was floyd rosed, I feel like newbie again.