#1
So I played some strats mostly american, some mims. Mostly through a fender twin if tht makes a difference.

I liked the mims, but they didn't seem too well balanced tonally compared to the American. Mind you it's subtle, but still, what annoys me now, gives me a grudge in 10 years.

However maybe this is due too superficial set-up, or pups, but how am I supposed to know that I mean the notes sound more 'cohesive/equal' on the americans eq&dynamic wise (not intonation which was good on all)

The americans seems best, but I can't decide maple or rosewood fretboard.

It's like the maple is more harsh, but also shines through more. The rosewood is easier on my ears, but after 10 min or so playing, it seems too rounded and "warm", which I like but it also almost "bores" me..not enough spank/twang

Maybe someone who has been around strats a lot can offer advice or relate?

No budget, but I won't shell out 1000 more for just a name or minute difference. Lets say for sake 1200 euros max.

I'd go used, but only If I can test it. Amps and fx no problem, but guitars I try.

location? Amsterdam, Netherlands, europe. Realistic range would be about 60 miles around.

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#2
That's a question only you can answer.

We can't decide which one you like better.
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That's a question only you can answer.

We can't decide which one you like better.


But maybe there's a model that offers more in between, maybe pup set?

I have been seriously thinking to. Custom, but ya know that's another ballpark. Now I want a nice strat.

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#4
Ok, go into the store. Tell them you are going to buy a guitar so get them to set the guitars you want to try up how you like them, maybe call them the day before, give them a deposit to show you are serious.

Play all the guitars you can.

Buy the one you like the most and change the pickups later. You can get all manner of pickups, it would be impossible to list them all. If you have a specific sound or artist that you want to sound like then we can help you more.

Look at the guitar as a blank canvas. Find the best example you can and change the tone later on.

At your budget I'd say the American Standard with pickup changes depending on what you want to sound like. If you can go higher and are willing to save or go used look at the American Vintage series. Often they were previous Custom Shop guitars, same specs just rebranded.

The Billy Corgan model.

The Eric Johnson model.

The Eric Clapton model.

Who do you want to sound like? What do you want to play?
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#5
^^ clean stuff, a bit more on the modern sound, but not too "boxed in".

I want it to respond good to playing with fingers, something which my amps do well already with most guitars, but on a strat it just is less compressed more open.

I play through a Laney VC30 212 for clean, and orange rocker verb 50 for dirt.

Btw I'm not in the Fender camp necessarily.

If you know of another brand that has a strat guitar but with an own twist please share.

I can share that the most strat tones I heard that I liked were on rosewood fingerboard, but not not a huge difference.

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#6
The G&L strats are well liked.

I think you may just be a little bit too fussy. If you feel the MIAs are too vintage then get a set of Lace Golds and you're good to go. Although the Alnico Vs they use in the Strats nowadays are quite hot compared to the older ones.

The VC amps are great. I had the VC50 and it was great. Very big though.
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The G&L strats are well liked.

I think you may just be a little bit too fussy. If you feel the MIAs are too vintage then get a set of Lace Golds and you're good to go. Although the Alnico Vs they use in the Strats nowadays are quite hot compared to the older ones.

The VC amps are great. I had the VC50 and it was great. Very big though.


Ye clean sound is amazing, dirt sound good for classic rock, but the orange is more than sufficient for heavier stuff. I also have a feeling that both amps would sound awesome with a strat

Well I will browse some gl and lace golds souncdlips, and reply later.

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#8
I always go with Maple on Strats. You can learn to play with less snap to get a warm sound on it. It's harder to get the maple snap on a rosewood than it is to get get the rosewood mellow on a maple.
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Btw I'm not in the Fender camp necessarily.

If you know of another brand that has a strat guitar but with an own twist please share.

"Strats" I like:

Godin
Session
http://godinguitars.com/godinsessionp.htm

Progression
http://godinguitars.com/godinprogressionusbp.htm

Passion
http://godinguitars.com/godinpassionp.htm


G&L USA
Legacy or S-500 series (their entry level Tribute line has good ones, too)
http://www.glguitars.com/instruments/USA/guitars/index.asp


Fret King Blue Line (their entry level Black line has good ones, too)
Super 60
http://www.fret-king.com/super60iw_spec.html

Super 60HB
http://www.fret-king.com/super60hbig_spec.html

Super 60SP
http://www.fret-king.com/super60speom_spec.html


Fernandes
Classic Revolver
http://www.fernandesguitars.com/revolver/revolver-classic.html

Retrorocket series
http://www.fernandesguitars.com/products/guitars/retrorocket.html


US Masters
LeGrand
http://www.usmasters.com/legrandguitar.htm

LeGrande Legend
http://www.usmasters.com/legrandlegend.htm

LeGrande Custom Legend
http://www.usmasters.com/legrandcustomlegend.htm


Carvin
Bolt series
http://www.carvinguitars.com/customshop/boltneck.php


Dean Zelinsky Private Label
Tagliare series
http://deanzelinsky.com/collections/tagliare


Of those, the only one that I haven't either tried already OR has a decent reputation is the last one- the Tagliare is new to the market. But my opinion of Dean Z is that he makes good guitars in general. Most issues people have had with guitars made in his name were when he was no longer in control of his companies.
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I would warn you, Danny, the Legacy and S500 aren't really "Strats." They've definitely got a beefier, more broad feel.
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I always go with Maple on Strats. You can learn to play with less snap to get a warm sound on it. It's harder to get the maple snap on a rosewood than it is to get get the rosewood mellow on a maple.



You described it exactly. I played the rosewood, it's nice, but when you want to twang it, it just is too dark of a snap. Noticeably very well in a good room or with a sligt verb on it.

Also that list of godin guitars is nice, but there's not a dealer here that i know off. I don't buy before I try.

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I would warn you, Danny, the Legacy and S500 aren't really "Strats." They've definitely got a beefier, more broad feel.

Oh, I know.

They all vary somewhat from the basic Strat sound on some level- its not like the makers were simply aping Fender, so each brings something different to the table.

Its one of the reasons why Fender still sells its Strats in such numbers.
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You described it exactly. I played the rosewood, it's nice, but when you want to twang it, it just is too dark of a snap. Noticeably very well in a good room or with a sligt verb on it.

Also that list of godin guitars is nice, but there's not a dealer here that i know off. I don't buy before I try.



Godin feels very similar to G&L, but not as beefy. More streamlined, if you will.
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That sounds about right.
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However maybe this is due too superficial set-up, or pups, but how am I supposed to know that


I think you've hit on the big problem with trying a guitar in a shop, lol. It's very hard to distinguish between a good guitar and a good setup (or vice-versa).

Regarding the MIMs, the standards have pretty poor (ceramic bar) stock pickups, far as i'm aware, so that's not gonna be helping the tone of them.

it's really up to you which you prefer. The USA ones are normally better, at least out of the box, but whether they're worth the upcharge is up to you...
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#16
in my opinion if you are open to assembling a strat rather than buying one. The 1000$ budget you mentioned is a fortune. You can get a combination of new and used components

The recommendation i would make it look into warmoth necks even if it is used. And consider stainless steel frets because they do not have the fretwear that a used neck has. I recently purchashed a new neck from them maple with brazilian kingwood, which sound warmer than maple but brighter than indian rosewood. You can get that for about 250$

Consider also either KGP brass tremolo block, or a Callaham steel block. Get the pickups you really want, Duncan california or antiquity is good. Bare knuckles i hear are the best.
#17
I have a buddy who bought a nice 2007 MIM for 250$ used. He is an experienced musician. He swears that it sounds better and more sparkly than his 2012 Eric Clapton strat even after he upgraded it. Budget considered i think MIM's are great. Americans are nice but i think for the price involved they are not worth it because i feel there are really great components out there that fender does not use. And that they are a fair but marginal step up in build quality from an MIM but they do have much better pickups. A MIM standard with pups upgraded to fralins. Lollars, Bare knuckles, antiquities, or what have you. Can definitely sound better than a standard american fender. MIM's are fun and great to upgrade. An american standard if you really like it stock than that's cool to because they do still sound good.