#1
I'm wonder if mix Celestion G12T-75 + Celestion G12M Greenback or Creamback can sound ok ?
When im practing with band i'm using usually only one speaker - G12T-75 for metal and V30 for rock, but on gigs i need 2x12 cab, G12T+v30 speakers worked fine together, loud was balanced etc.

But I want to get more smooth rock speaker like G12M, will it sound ok too with G12T-75 ? I mean won't G12T deaf/kill G12M sound since it's only 25w with same db ?

Would this mix work, or it's not best combo ?
Would You reccomend more G12M Greenback 25w or G12M Creamback 65w ? What's diffrence between them ?
Last edited by Blazkowicz at Jun 28, 2013,
#2
the volume will be ok, the problem is your 2x12 will only be good for 50 watts if you put a greenback in there. it'll probably sound ok, but it wouldn't be my first choice. a v30 is maybe smoother than a greenback, too (though it's also louder and more "in your face").

if you liked the v30 and g12t75 combo i'd probably stick with that. what exact type of music are you playing when you say metal and rock?

i haven't tried the creamback but as far a i'm aware it's a higher wattage greenback.
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#3
Exactly kind Metallica Thrash and Pink Floyd rock, that's why i wish to have G12T and G12M speakers.
I'm not big fan of V30 and i want to get rid of it.
#4
ah ok, no worries

how much overall wattage handling do you need?

are you definitely planning on keeping the g12t75s?
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#5
Yep, I rly like G12T for thrash metal.
And I think I would rly like G12M for PK kind rock.

I'm using Mesa 50/50 PA usually reduced for 20w.
#6
I wouldn't go for a Greenback or Creamback to pair with that T75. It's not going to be the right speaker for you.

If you want something less mid-heavy than a V30 but still great for rock and metal, throw a K100 in there. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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#8
Well I'll go then G12T-75 + Classic Lead 80 i think - CL80 I heard is quite "neutral" so it should work with any other speaker.
And i think the Classic lead 80 instead Greenback should handle well PK kind rock genre too, i hope ...
#10
^ I like it combined with a v30, but I'm not sure i'd pair it with a g12t75...
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#11
To me the K100 is like a V30 with the 1k range dialed back milder. A more "3 dimensional" flavor without so much of the telephone range. I thought it sounded great paired with a Man O War, which is very T75-ish.
#12
I dont see how single K100 speaker would handle light rock ...

So which one speaker would You reccomend for classic rock PK genre, with possibility to sound okay in combo with G12T ? Except v30 ?
I'm just not big fan of v30 - I mean with G12T it sounds not bad, but single i'm not crazy about it, and it's to harsh for light rock, I need something more clear, smooth, with big down (E must be rly bassy), and pristine edgy high E.
If no celestion which would suits to G12T and my preferences, maybe theres some eminence for example ?
#13
I recommended the K100 because I think it is a great all around speaker. Johnny Hiland is an artist that endorses my amp line and he loves them. He currently uses them by themselves. He plays everything from blues, country, and jazz to straight ahead rock, classic rock and hard rock. The K100 sounds great with all of them.

Honestly, what you just described that you want is what the K100 will deliver.
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#15
Well I wanted to avoid G12K-100 becouse it's unreachable in my country at the moment, I mean it is but only brand new chineese one, and I'm hunting english made Celestions, I heard chineese one have no compare with oldschool UK's. Is it true ?
If this is bulls*** I would get this K-100, if it's true than K-100 is out.

For now i can get ENGLISH made Celestions :
- G12T-75
- G12M-65 Creamback
- G12M-25 Greenback
- G12-80 (It's Rola Celestion)
- G12-50 Vintage Blackback
- Marshall Celestion G12 Heritage 75w ?

And once again what I need - cab that :
1. Have 1 speaker perfect for oldschool light rock like Pink Floyd.
2. Have 1 speaker perfect for oldschool thrash like Metallica.
3. This 2 speakers sounds okay when connected together (for some gigs).
#16
^ I dunno about the older english versus chinese celestions I've heard people i trust say it's BS, but have no experience myself.

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+1- i haven't tried the g12k100 but if it's as good as he says it is, it's probably worth considering.
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#17
There is literally no difference between UK and Chinese Celestions. The UK factory was even using Chinese made parts for the last decade or two of production.
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#18
Ok, So I can without worries take that chineese G12K-100 and it would sound nice with Pink Floyd solos, and would cooperate well with G12T mixed correct ?
#19
I dunno. I'm not the biggest fan of the K100, hate the T75 and dig the V30 and Creamback/Greenback, so I'd be a poor reference for what you like.
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#21
I haven't tried mixing a G12M w/T-75's (I generally don't like the 75's, except with certain amps). The T75 is very scooped sounding, and the G12M is pretty much the opposite in a way - Lots of midrange bark, but much less going on in the way of low end thump, and top end sizzle than the 75. Very differently voiced speakers, but they could possibly sound awesome together with the right amp/settings - it just depends. You'll have to try them together to find out for sure.

I haven't tried the K100's out, so I can't comment on how they'd sound for the classic rock tones you want. And again, since I'm not a T75 fan, I'm probably not the best reference on what they'd sound good with (I'm more of a G12M/G12H/V30 guy).

One of the main things to look out for when pairing speakers is that you're mixing speakers of the similar sensitivity (Db ratings) - Otherwise, you risk having the more efficient (Higher Db/louder volume) speaker drowning out less efficient speakers volume-wise. Luckily for you, the T75 and Creambacks are both rated at 97 db, and the G12M reissues are 98. The K100's are 99, which might be pushing it (I have a G12H30/G12M combo in my cab, but might go back to all G12Ms or try another combo instead for this reason).

Since you're using a 2x12 cab, I'd go w/the creamback over the G12M for wattage reasons. And if you use a G12M by itself at all, it doesn't take much amp wattage to blow one out.
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#22
Thanks for Your answer.
So one 25w Greenback is poor idea.
One more question who had compare - I heard that "Creamback is steroid Greenback" and its made for 2x12 cabs to sound like 4x12 is that correct ?
Is Creamback sounds pretty like Greenback or they are diffrent speakers.
I mean i love Greenbacks, but with that wattage i would need at least 4 of them for my 50w amp (which i can't afford it right now) so i'm thinking about pass G12T and take just 2xCreambacks ?
#23
^ i haven't tried the creamback

^^ yeah the decibel thing is worth bearing in mind, but it also depends on the speakers- the g12t75 and v30 are 3dB apart, yet combine very well because the voicing of each one complements the other.
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#24
Hm, if could You take a look on this speaker :
http://allegro.utylizacja.org/8d10/9622.jpg
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http://allegro.utylizacja.org/8d10/9622b.jpg

As You can see, it's oldschool Rola Celestion G12-80, I can get two of them in technical mint condition (2 weeks run guarantee or return) for 120$ - I think I would be fool not buying them for the price ?
But what I wonder - what's the deal with this "membrane cover" ? In the middle, it's like glued upside down ? Any idea what's going on ? Did old Celestions made membranes like this ?
You think would they sound nice in 2x12 (couse i probably won't find soon second pair to make 4x12 and as was said before - they re not best choice to mix with g12t or g12m).
I would make of them xtra additional lead cab (heard that they're old Classic Lead 80, which sounds really nice for solos in my opinion).
And second thing, I just love oldschool rare stuff ... ; )

* I found some info about them, it seems they're some Twincone ("whizzer") ?
Anyone got idea what's that mean ? I reed that overall this means bad ?
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yeah the decibel thing is worth bearing in mind, but it also depends on the speakers- the g12t75 and v30 are 3dB apart, yet combine very well because the voicing of each one complements the other.
Also true. I've yet to hear the V30/G12T-75 combo in action, but it seems to be somewhat popular. I've mainly heard of people complaining that V30's will drown out G12M's pretty easily.

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One more question who had compare - I heard that "Creamback is steroid Greenback" and its made for 2x12 cabs to sound like 4x12 is that correct ?
To the best of my knowledge, the Creamback is designed to simply be a higher-wattage version of a Greenback, and not necessarily a "greenback on steroids". They utilize medium, or "M" magnets, like the G12M does. The speakers typically described as a "greenback on steroids" usually use heavier/larger magnets (Like the G12H30). Due to the increased headroom (higher wattage) of the creamback over the greenback, the low end response may be tighter. I haven't tried one yet, but I'm a speaker wh%re, so I'll probably get around to it at some point!
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The low end is indeed bigger and tighter on the Creambacks. My favorite speaker ever. Bought 6 of them at the end of last year to throw in a 212 and 412.
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The low end is indeed bigger and tighter on the Creambacks. My favorite speaker ever. Bought 6 of them at the end of last year to throw in a 212 and 412.
Thanks for fueling more GAS - sounds like the perfect speaker for me!
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Also true. I've yet to hear the V30/G12T-75 combo in action, but it seems to be somewhat popular. I've mainly heard of people complaining that V30's will drown out G12M's pretty easily.


yeah i've heard that too, but i didn't notice much of a problem when i tried those two together. admittedly, i'm playing at pretty low volumes so maybe it's more apparent at higher volumes
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