#1
So I'm looking into getting my first head and cab. I need some suggestion for heads, as it's all a bit overwhelming. I currently have a Peavey practice amp, but need a head/cab for band practices and upcoming gigs.

In terms of sound, I want a head that can provide a good clean and distortion tone. I don't need a head with a ridiculous amount of gain, but we do play metal so distortion to an extent is a requirement. My band's facebook is linked in my sig if you want to get an idea of how we sound.

I've been looking around and found the Blackstar ID:60TVP-H. I had a play around with it at my local music store, and I quite liked it, but I don't want to jump into buying it without looking around more. Has anyone had experience with this head, or know any good or bad information about it?

My budget is about £500, so if anyone could suggest any other heads within that price range, or could just give me any advice at all, it'd be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance, and sorry for the wall of text.
#3
The Blackstars are great, I've found them to be very Vox-y on the cleans and Marshall-y on the crunch. Do you NEED a head/cab or would a combo be on the table?
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#4
Look into Jet City, I think they have either a 20w or a 50w head/cab that might be a solid choice for you. I've heard they have a nice clean channel and can get rather gain-y when you need it to.
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#5
Blackstar doesn't hold a favorable reputation around here, despite whether they are good amps are not. I would recommend that you do your research on them heavily, as they like to throw erroneous marketing around.

I recommend you look around at some Marshall amps, like the JCM2000 DSL401.
#6
Only thing that bothers me about blackstars is that they are usually not very tube amp like, not by tone and sometimes not even by construction. But that could be just the HT series.

But I would recommend you by used. If you could find an used Peavey JSX it would be great, I've sometimes seen those go for 500 bucks, it takes a bit of luck though. Finding an used fender SuperSonic head or a Laney VH100 would guarantee great cleans and good crunch, but I doubt you could find any for 500$. It's still remotely possible.

For new, I second the Jet City. Good amps, good price.
#7
Look at Jet City on www.thomann.de

That blackstar is a SS modeling amp. If your fine with that fine, it is you money. But thomann has the Jet City stuff really cheap and it is good

They have the Jet City JCA100hdm B stock for 369GBP and then look at the Harley Benton G212 Vintage for 169GBP.

That would be a great rig for years to come.
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There's a lad over on the gear ads selling a Jet City 50w head for about £250 ISH. Then get yourself a Benton 212 Vintage and you'll have an ace set-up, and change from the £500

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#9
^ **** that, you can get the 50 watt jet city head new on thomann for £250 with a 3-year warranty

but agreed, the 50 watt head and the HB G212 vintage is what i'd do. not super-amazing cleans, but reasonable, and killer overdrive channel.

a boost pedal wouldn't hurt, either. maybe pick up a bad monkey on thomann while you're at it.
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#10
Thanks for all the replies. I've looked into Jet City heads but I get the impression that the clean tones won't be particularly good. Two other heads that I've been looking at are the Laney IRT60H and the Bugera 333XL Infinium. Both look like good amps, especially the Bugera from the demos and reviews that I've looked at. Anyone have any experience with either of these heads?
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Burgera I would avoid like the plague. Do some research and digging into the brand, especially on here. There's loads of problems with their QC and reliability.

The laney isn't that spectacular. I thought the construction was very cheap, the sound wasn't that amazing and everything on the amp just felt flimsy. Granted, I haven't played one with new tubes and better speakers, but the construction alone would put me off.

Why are you hell bent on a head/speaker? There's no real advantage other than having better portability. I'd find a used Peavey 6505/6505+/JSX combo or a Laney GH50L. Much nicer amps than the ones listed.

Also the jet city's are excellent.
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Burgera I would avoid like the plague. Do some research and digging into the brand, especially on here. There's loads of problems with their QC and reliability.

The laney isn't that spectacular. I thought the construction was very cheap, the sound wasn't that amazing and everything on the amp just felt flimsy. Granted, I haven't played one with new tubes and better speakers, but the construction alone would put me off.

Why are you hell bent on a head/speaker? There's no real advantage other than having better portability. I'd find a used Peavey 6505/6505+/JSX combo or a Laney GH50L. Much nicer amps than the ones listed.

Also the jet city's are excellent.


I'm guess I'm not, it just seems like the best way to go. Are the Peaveys capable of good clean tones, because that is something that I'm looking for, and most reviews for those amps go on about how good the distortion is, but rarely say anything about the clean. I'd rather not have a clean tone that is just acceptable.
Maybe it's just the opinions of the reviews I've read. Are the Jet Citys capable of good clean tones?
#13
The cleans on the Jet City are quite good, with some careful tweaking they are fine at high volumes too, it just takes a while to find a point where the OD and crunch channels are the same volume
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Burgera I would avoid like the plague. Do some research and digging into the brand, especially on here. There's loads of problems with their QC and reliability.

The laney isn't that spectacular. I thought the construction was very cheap, the sound wasn't that amazing and everything on the amp just felt flimsy. Granted, I haven't played one with new tubes and better speakers, but the construction alone would put me off.

Why are you hell bent on a head/speaker? There's no real advantage other than having better portability. I'd find a used Peavey 6505/6505+/JSX combo or a Laney GH50L. Much nicer amps than the ones listed.

Also the jet city's are excellent.


+1

for cleans i'd say the jet city is better than the laney gh50L, though. the gh does have really nice cleans, but it has to be dialled in for it, and as a single channel amp (with boost) you can't really do that if you want to bring the brootlz at the same time whereas the jet city genuinely is two channel (shared eq, though) so you can dial in clean on the normal channel and brootal on the od channel no problem. the setting on the clean channel doesn't affect the amount of gain available on the od channel, like it does on the Laney GH.

EDIT: the peavey 5150/6505 isn't exactly renowned for nice cleans, lol. Mediocre at best, probably.

Really you're gonna have some compromise here at the budget you're talking about. It just depends on what you're more willing to compromise on. Do you need good cleans so badly that you're willing to have a worse od channel, for example? because that's really what it boils down to. If there were an amp that cost £500 which had killer cleans and killer distortion we'd all own it, lol.

the traynor ycv50b on thomann might be worth a look, though. But it won't get as heavy as the jet city.
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i've played with ironheart for a few months it is really good for the price, definitely recommend it