#1
Which would be a better amp the peavey vypyr 120w tube or the 100w solid state? From what i saw they have the exact same effects and stuff. I want a modeling amp not a standard amp. I have an ibanez tbx 30w but i want something bigger. The 120w cost $650 and the 100w cost $400, but im getting the sanpera 2 footswitch as well at $230. I have a 7 string so i play metal, disturbed, bfmv, metallica. A budget is kind of an issue, i want something good but not an a** load. I live in NC.
#2
Tube!
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#3
There's no real comparison, the 120 has a full tube 6505+ power amp and will destroy the 100w SS version.
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#5
Some will claim that the all SS versions are better for metal. Less sag and such. I don't care what they say because tubed Vypyrs just sound better and sound more authentic. I mean, it has a 6505+ power section basically. I get great metal tones out of mine.

Bottom Line. Save up and get the 120.

Do you already have a cab? What are you using for a cab? Do you gig?
#6
^ Yeah, I've owned multiple Vypyrs... 2 SS and 1 Tube. The Tube has the benefits of warmth and organicness/dynamics from the tubes, without giving up the unnatural SS tightness and low mid massiveness (huge palm mutes) SS amps are known for. They're great.

I wouldn't recommend the 120 though... solely because it's a 2x12 combo and they're a pain in the ass to deal with. The 60 should be more than adequate in every way.
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#7
What's wrong with 2x12 combos? Have you not discovered this thing they call "the wheel"?
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#8
Still a pain in the ass. Getting it through doors, putting it onto a cart, still gotta lift it into and out of the transportation. 1x12 you can just pick up and go.
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#10
Quote by Offworld92
Still a pain in the ass. Getting it through doors, putting it onto a cart, still gotta lift it into and out of the transportation. 1x12 you can just pick up and go.

I use a 2x12 combo sitting on top of a 4x12. Don't be such a crybaby.
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#11
Quote by Cathbard
I use a 2x12 combo sitting on top of a 4x12. Don't be such a crybaby.


And you're an arthritic old man!!!

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#12
Exactly. They're not so bad. If you are a spider monkey with no upper body strength you just ask the bass player to help you lift it in and out of the van - isn't that what bass players are for?
You don't carry them, you just lift them on and off the trolley. Only fools try to carry them any distance.
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#14
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
Some will claim that the all SS versions are better for metal. Less sag and such. I don't care what they say because tubed Vypyrs just sound better and sound more authentic. I mean, it has a 6505+ power section basically. I get great metal tones out of mine.

Bottom Line. Save up and get the 120.

Do you already have a cab? What are you using for a cab? Do you gig?


Alright i save up then. I dont have a cap, im just getting the 120 combo. I dontgig yet, but my friend and i are planning on starting though.
#16
Either would do the job but more speakers is good, power amp aside.
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#17
Quote by Offworld92
Still a pain in the ass. Getting it through doors, putting it onto a cart, still gotta lift it into and out of the transportation. 1x12 you can just pick up and go.


#18
^
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See, it's important that people clarify when they say "metal", because I pretty much always assume they are a Cannibal Corpse fanboi.
#19
Hi

I don't want to start a new thread, but according to the tuner on my Vypyr 15, all my strings are A#.

And go with the 112.
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#21
I don't want a 60w though. My friend has a 150w and i don't think the 60 can get louder. The 100w is loud but not as loud as the 120, and i won't have to worry but the tubes breaking in the 100 if someone hits or something happens to it.
#22
A 60W 6505 tube power section will CRUSH a 100W SS power section.

Wattage is not a linear measurement of volume. It is the power rating of the amp, which is not necessarily indicative of how loud the amp will be. Look at the Vox AC30. 30W amp, but it can keep up with anything without any issues.
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#25
Marginally. What you notice most with more speakers is better bass and a generally fuller sound, not volume.
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#26
Quote by Offworld92
A 60W 6505 tube power section will CRUSH a 100W SS power section.

Wattage is not a linear measurement of volume. It is the power rating of the amp, which is not necessarily indicative of how loud the amp will be. Look at the Vox AC30. 30W amp, but it can keep up with anything without any issues.

No, seriously.

60w EASILY reaches SPLs that WILL damage your hearing - SS or Tube.
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Quote by Anonden
You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
#27
WILL damage you say? Not may, but "WILL"? I must be deaf and never noticed.
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#28
Quote by epic-sacrifice
I don't want a 60w though. My friend has a 150w and i don't think the 60 can get louder. The 100w is loud but not as loud as the 120, and i won't have to worry but the tubes breaking in the 100 if someone hits or something happens to it.


I don't know whether to laugh or cry, there's so much fail in so few words there...
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#29
Quote by Cathbard
WILL damage you say? Not may, but "WILL"? I must be deaf and never noticed.

Yeah, dude. 60w output clean depending on the speaker is high 90s-low 100s dB. Threshold for damage from sustained noise is 90-95 dB depending on source.
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Quote by Anonden
You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
Last edited by oneblackened at Jul 5, 2013,
#30
I've been doing it for almost twice as long as you've been alive, my friend.
You can have two guys working side by side in a factory and one will go deaf and the other will be fine. You want to be careful with absolutes, man. The real world rarely works like that.
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Last edited by Cathbard at Jul 5, 2013,
#31
Quote by Cathbard
I've been doing it for almost twice as long as you've been alive, my friend.
You can have two guys working side by side in a factory and one will go deaf and the other will be fine. You want to be careful with absolutes, man. The real world rarely works like that.

Right.

CAVEAT: It depends from person to person. Some people have a higher tolerance for high SPLs than others.
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Quote by Anonden
You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
#33
Either way though, 60w is stupidly loud. From experience, my 60w 112 has drowned out the loudest of metal drummers
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#34
I find that 50 or 60W dimed is about the same as a loud drummer. I'm thinking about sticking the other two tubes back into my JCM because I'm totally diming it at 50W and it's a bit too touchy trying to get cleans out of it. Not that I use a lot of cleans but still; at 50W, cleans against my drummer is almost impossible.
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#36
Not really, no. However it would do the trick.
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#37
Quote by epic-sacrifice
Would getting a combo with a 2x12 almost the same thing as a half stack?


Everything else being equal, it will be marginally quieter (~3db) but not a lot.
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