dodinhtrung97
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Hey guys I have just started playing guitar last year and things are going quite well, but there is this little lick that I never seem to understand how to do it right. It's the lick at the end of the solo of Symphony of Destruction, and it's kinda weird to me that I can do the Tornado of Souls solo quite well but not this little solo Can anyone give me advice as to how to practice this lick and what is the name of this lick please? Thanks so much
Link to the solo: Symphony of Destruction Solo
The lick is at 0:29
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It´s hard to give you advice when you are being so vague about your problems. Chances are that your bending technique needs some focus, which would also mean that you can not play the tornado of souls solo quite well btw. Playing these solos well with decent phrasing is not that easy, don´t underestimate them.
It´s a heavy duty blues lick involving some bending, legato and a double stop at the end. You practice it as everything else. Slow it down maybe work on specific problems in separate exercises, increase speed. When bendings are involved using your ear and being very rigorous about correct pitch is instrumental.
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Thanks for the reply though somehow I didn't have problem whatsoever with the bending at the end of tornado of souls My problem is more about the continuous bending stuff, there is a little delay between each bend-and-release sequence If I practice it from slow to fast could I solve that problem out? Or do I just need the right way to practice ?
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It kind of sounds like your problem is of rhythmical nature, if you don´t know exactly when and how to play each note slow practice obv won´t solve the problem. So make sure to figure that out, by transcribing yourself or using tabs.
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I have just started playing guitar last year
I can do the Tornado of Souls solo quite well but not this little solo



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Just mentioned that one particularly cuz that is my biggest success since the beginning
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Just mentioned that one particularly cuz that is my biggest success since the beginning


I just mentioned the because the odds of you being able to play said solo "well" after just 1+- year of playing are very slim to none..
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Well ... I just said what is true I didn't try to brag that I'm a genius, otherwise I wouldn't be posting a thread asking how to play a solo right?
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^ Wow, that cover was actually way better than I expected it to be. Of course it has mistakes, but damn... you kept up and it really sounded like the solo from Tornado of Souls.

You've just motivated me to take on that solo again, congratulations. At least these days I can actually do the sweeps and the taps...
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I have to admit that it was impressive for someone who has been playing 7-8 months, but on the other hand there's still room for alot of improvement.
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...there's still room for alot of improvement.


Definitely, but at the same time there's always room for improvement!

In this case TS, I would recommend working on your bends and legato the most; the beginning of that solo really tells me that most of your practice is spent on shred techniques. Makes sense why Symphony of Destruction is hard for you if you think of it that way.

Just try and balance yourself out by putting more focus on "slow" techniques like bends- things like bends and vibrato are very important lead techniques in any context. Fast game + slow game = the best game.
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What is legato I'm self-taught so don't have much ideas about name of techniques and stuff. Thanks a lot though, definitely Marty's bendings are crazy
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listen to the music again and again till you can figure it out, if that does not work take a video and watch it in slow mo!
until you figure it out keep trying
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What is legato? I'm pretty sure the word itself is Italian for "smooth", but in this context legato is when you play different notes without picking every note. At 0:06 of your Tornado of Souls solo, you do slides which is a legato technique for your reference.

It's a fairly broad term really, but legato is just playing notes with no pause between them. Hammer-ons and pull-offs are also considered legato.

I'm getting an eerie feeling that I'm wrong about something, so I'm just going to post a link to a Wikipedia article which explains it better than I can:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legato

EDIT: It's not really relevant, but if you really like Marty Friedman's playing you should check out the band Cacophony- if you haven't already. Their first album, Speed Metal Symphony, is amazing and ends with possibly the best '80s metal instrumental I have ever heard. The two guitarists in Cacophony are Jason Becker and Marty Friedman- they both frequently show up on "best guitarists ever" lists.
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EDIT: It's not really relevant, but if you really like Marty Friedman's playing you should check out the band Cacophony- if you haven't already. Their first album, Speed Metal Symphony, is amazing and ends with possibly the best '80s metal instrumental I have ever heard. The two guitarists in Cacophony are Jason Becker and Marty Friedman- they both frequently show up on "best guitarists ever" lists.


I second this.
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I'd almost recommend Marty's Dragon Kiss from 1989, but the only good song IMO is forbidden city. Check that out, too.

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I actually have all the Marty and Becker related stuff already never really cared about Cacophony though, I remember the vocal sounded bad when I first heard the band
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Tornado of Souls Solo
There u go I recorded this about 4 months ago, so I did improve a little bit since then


That's incredible!

8 months AND self taught?

Do you play any other instruments?


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Being able to play one thing on guitar doesn't automatically "entitle" you to be able to play anything else. It's not an MMO where once you reach a certain "level" you can beat any of the lower level enemies without breaking a sweat.

Every piece presents it's own set of challenges, and if in your first few months you perhaps spent a disproportionate amount of time focussing solely on the Tornado on Souls solo then that would have been at the expense of improving your basic skillset - out of interest how long did it take you to learn the solo and get it to that level?
Learning a solo is ultimately little more than an exercise in memorisation, and provided you have the patience and discipline it's quite possible to learn stuff that's strictly speaking ahead of your abilities.

The problem with that is, as I mentioned before, it can take a disproportionate amount of time and during that time because you're focussing so much on that one solo you don't really learn much of anything else. In effect you're expending a lot of effort on learning to play "a solo" rather than learning to play "the guitar", and whilst you may get short term satisfaction from boxing off that solo it's not really the most effective or constructive way to use your time, especially early on in your guitar playing "career".

I don't know if that's that an accurate assumption to make about your progress or not, all I know about your playing is that solo and what you've told us. However it is a very common pitfall these days, new players get too bogged down in trying to impress people and want to be able to do everything "now", forgetting the fact that the things they want to learn weren't written by beginners, but guys who'd been playing for years. So they learn a few party pieces that they upload to YouTube, but never really learn "how to play the guitar".
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That's incredible!

8 months AND self taught?

Do you play any other instruments?


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thanks mate
and no I'd never played any instrument nor did I pay any attention in music class before I picked up the guitar theory was and always is godawful to me
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Being able to play one thing on guitar doesn't automatically "entitle" you to be able to play anything else. It's not an MMO where once you reach a certain "level" you can beat any of the lower level enemies without breaking a sweat.

Every piece presents it's own set of challenges, and if in your first few months you perhaps spent a disproportionate amount of time focussing solely on the Tornado on Souls solo then that would have been at the expense of improving your basic skillset - out of interest how long did it take you to learn the solo and get it to that level?
Learning a solo is ultimately little more than an exercise in memorisation, and provided you have the patience and discipline it's quite possible to learn stuff that's strictly speaking ahead of your abilities.

The problem with that is, as I mentioned before, it can take a disproportionate amount of time and during that time because you're focussing so much on that one solo you don't really learn much of anything else. In effect you're expending a lot of effort on learning to play "a solo" rather than learning to play "the guitar", and whilst you may get short term satisfaction from boxing off that solo it's not really the most effective or constructive way to use your time, especially early on in your guitar playing "career".

I don't know if that's that an accurate assumption to make about your progress or not, all I know about your playing is that solo and what you've told us. However it is a very common pitfall these days, new players get too bogged down in trying to impress people and want to be able to do everything "now", forgetting the fact that the things they want to learn weren't written by beginners, but guys who'd been playing for years. So they learn a few party pieces that they upload to YouTube, but never really learn "how to play the guitar".

Thanks for spending time writing such long paragraphs like that
but I didn't spend time only to practice tornado of souls, it to me was just like, ya know, another song to play. I don't even have such thing as a practice schedule or the like, to me it is more like just play the guitar and improvements come when they want to . It was like "wow that solo sounds cool, lets try to play that" rather than "wow that's solo sounds cool, let's learn guitar so I could play that solo"
And I get what you say up there, what I thought was that I already had enough of the skills required to play the Symphony of Destruction solo, so why was I not able to play it? I obviously already realized that I was wrong though
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I actually have all the Marty and Becker related stuff already never really cared about Cacophony though, I remember the vocal sounded bad when I first heard the band


Yeah, the vocals are horrible. I'd personally recommend the song Images of their 2nd record Go Off! Pure magic my son.
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^ Yeah... the vocals aren't so good. The instrumentals are where it's at.

However, the first time I heard the song Speed Metal Symphony I didn't really like it because it had too many "happy sounds" in it at the beginning; my tastes at the time were pretty much all about thrash and death metal.

After I branched out a bit more, I found SMS to be amazing once I warmed up to it.

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Thanks for spending time writing such long paragraphs like that
but I didn't spend time only to practice tornado of souls, it to me was just like, ya know, another song to play. I don't even have such thing as a practice schedule or the like, to me it is more like just play the guitar and improvements come when they want to . It was like "wow that solo sounds cool, lets try to play that" rather than "wow that's solo sounds cool, let's learn guitar so I could play that solo"
And I get what you say up there, what I thought was that I already had enough of the skills required to play the Symphony of Destruction solo, so why was I not able to play it? I obviously already realized that I was wrong though

As Stephen said, learning one solo doesn't mean you learn a skill set that immediately transfers to other things, especially if you learned the solo with know knowledge of fundamentals. Every skill, in this case playing a musical instrument, has fundamentals. They're the building blocks. Crawl before you can walk, walk before you run, etc. Since everything goes back to these fundamentals, they can improve all playing.

You learn a solo far above your skill level, which is pretty awesome in a lot of ways, but your lack of fundamentals makes it harder to pick up something of the same skill level. You start from square one all over again. You might pick up these skills through extensive playing but if you crack down on the basics for a while then your playing will greatly improve. Little stuff like bending properly and with control, and even and controlled vibrato would be basic skills that would go toward your goal.

I'm mostly self taught with guitar and I never really had the discipline to build myself a solid framework. I can play songs but my overall playing is sloppy and unfocused. When I was in high school band, we drilled on fundamentals all the time because we had a director to keep up focused. I couldn't play flashy things but I was consistent and had decent tone. I'd encounter some All State players who could tear through scales and stuff but couldn't sight read or play in an ensemble. Basic band skills.

This got kind of long. It's great that you can play that solo, but you should focus on more basic skills and become more proficient with those to improve your overall playing. That's pretty much what I'm getting at.
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