#1
I'm planning on buying a bogner alchemist, since I pretty much fell in love with its sound and price tag . The bad thing about it, is that it can't really reach high gain distortion for modern metal. I'm not really a metal player, but it would be nice to be able to have the ability to have a tone similar to Lamb of God or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI_3kS5uzlM

Now I've heard that distortion pedals aren't really the way to go, since they suck all of the "tubeness" out of tube amps. So what kind of OD pedal would work for what I want.
Thanks everyone.
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#2
Grab a Boss SD-1 and clip out C5.

Bad distortion pedals will suck all the "tubiness" out of a tube amp.

Others sound fantastic with them.

It all just depends. Don't immediately write off an entire catalog of pedals.

And you don't need as much gain as you think .
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#3
Yea, most Metal bands don't use as much as you think.
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Some kind of tubescreamer, definitely, such as the Maxon OD 808 or something similar, I use the MAB Overdrive and because of it, the gain on my amp never goes above 4, and still gets an incredibly heavy tone.
#5
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Yea, most Metal bands don't use as much as you think.

That might be true, but it's a different kind of gain/overdrive/distortion than what the Alchemist does. To get closer to that kind of tone, some kind of boost and/or an EQ pedal will be needed.
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thanks everyone but as JesusCrisp pointed out the alchemist is a midgain amp therefore it really does need something different than what a dual rectifier would need for more gain. Metal bands don't use that much gain, because their amps are already made for that. The alchemist really isn't. Thanks again everyone, from what I've gathered I should get some sort of tubescreamer. Will the ts-9 be enough, or should I try to get something with a bit more power?
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That might be true, but it's a different kind of gain/overdrive/distortion than what the Alchemist does. To get closer to that kind of tone, some kind of boost and/or an EQ pedal will be needed.

Ah. I'm not really familiar with the amp.
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you kinda have to play it by ear... if it really doesn't have that much gain, as you said, a ts might not be enough.
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#10
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Yea, most Metal bands don't use as much as you think.


Unless OP is going to play as loud as those bands play, then this train of thought is pretty useless. The only time you can afford to really back off on the gain and still be heavy as **** is when you're moving serious air.

As far as studio tones are concerned, it's completely irrelevant, because anyone can back off on gain if they're going to quadruple track their guitars. That also doesn't apply to a live sound.


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you kinda have to play it by ear... if it really doesn't have that much gain, as you said, a ts might not be enough.


+1

If you really really love that amp, you're probably going to have to invest in another amp for the heavy stuff, or else invest in a high quality distortion. Maybe something like the Wampler Triple Wreck or Amptweaker Tightmetal?
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#11
The TightRock also does metal pretty well, but does the sounds in between better than the TightMetal. Try not to think of these as pedals so much as that they are preamps with effects loops, a noise gate, and are often run into the effects return and bypassing the head's preamp for this very reason.
#13
To me, the Alchemist's OD channel has about as much gain as a ValveKing. It's no modern metal machine that's forsure, but a TS will get you closer. The song you listed does not have that much gain. You will be able to get there with a Tubescreamer. You add in a MXR 10 band you will find a good tone for other heavier songs too.

The unfortunate thing is that you'll probably then need a noise gate too if you don't have one, and that's three pedals right there. But hey, you won't need a reverb or delay pedal with the Alchemist
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EQ pedal. Get one with an overall volume control.
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Hate to be that guy, but maybe another amp would be a good idea. You could probably pick up a decent one for quite cheap ish, something like a used 6505+ 112 or a jet city.

I say this because it would probably get you closer than pedals would, without spending too much.
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