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#41
I'm in but damn this is confusing. Update OP on all this stuff would ya?
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#44
I know you're only joking, but for reference, if you right click the first bar then go to stave properties you can change both the instrument name and the shorthand.
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#45
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You can write one piece if you want.


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#46
so....did you decide on a melody?

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#49
I thought we were working from a common melody though...

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#50
IRL people say I'm awful at explaining myself. Seems I am in the virtual world as well.
I thought we decided it didn't matter if we were working from the same melody because it would be difficult to decide on a melody for everybody and everybody would have to write two pieces anyway. I was thinking this challenge would be a good way to practice getting rid of writers block because it's about taking something you wrote and seeing a different direction you could take it. I often write four bars of something and get stuck, so I was trying to fix that with this exercise.
I was thinking about some challenges in the future that would be based on a common motive like "A melody with the range of a b5 that eventually resolves out to a M6" or a mood like "Everything seems, fine but not quite." I mostly want to keep this challenge as is because I already have four pieces on the burner for it. If I picked a motive I'd have to start all over. I hope everybody wasn't waiting for me to pick a motive because I'm so obtuse. If they have been it seems my first challenge failed pretty hard. :/
#51
Create a theme. Write 2 songs based of that theme. That's it right?

I'd love to join! I have to compose a piece for my finals at school, so this is a great way to do it I think

But I've never done anything like this before, do we submit a score? or sound clip? or just keep it to ourselves? o.O
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#53
I assumed that the following transformation of the theme from 4/4 to 3/4 would be acceptable, the basic contour and rhythmic outline is pretty much intact. Since everyone seems pretty vague on what exactly it is we're doing here I thought I'd check.

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#55
Are you guys still going with this??

I'm still committed. This thread has got me writing again after a break.

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#57
I don't know if I'll have everything done on time. I was sick last week, and the week before that was the performance week of a rock camp, and we've been camping for the last three weekends...so those are some excuses I'll be using if I'm late for my own thread. Who knows, I might get everything done in two days...
#58
I'm just getting started too so maybe you can extend this lol

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#59
Ok so I've started writing my first piece.

Xiaoxi, how long would it take to create a semi-decent sounding mockup of a score if I sent you the MIDI file? No worries if you wouldn't have time/want to do it, would just be nice to hear my music not with sibelius sounds
#60
I have made the executive thread-starter decision to extend the deadline to the 24th.
That should give all of us enough time to finish everything.

Sorry to everyone who didn't procrastinate and finished on time. You're better than me.
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#61
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Xiaoxi, how long would it take to create a semi-decent sounding mockup of a score if I sent you the MIDI file? No worries if you wouldn't have time/want to do it, would just be nice to hear my music not with sibelius sounds

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no need to apologize to nonexistent persons

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#64
Well my first piece was just a simple waltz. Now I'm trying to do me some theme and variations and I've finished three variations. Getting a bit Diabelli in here if you know what I'm sayin'

No but really the theme and variations so far is equally as trivial as the Waltz ;_;
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#65
Here's what I got so far. I won't finish on time but it's a good motivator to do something substantial again:

http://soundcloud.com/xiaoxiwan/sketch-work-in-progress

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#66
I'm aiming for 3 pieces. One of them is a less crappy version of my piece from the last challenge and the other two are for this challenge. If I have time I also have the beginning of something using that Schonburg theme from earlier. The part with the theme only uses V-Is because I thought it'd be funny. Then it gets more interesting. I don't believe any of the prices I've written use V-Is now that I think about it. I wanted to see if I could write a piece without using any functional harmonic staples.

I think I want to start getting more functional though because of the jazz course I've been taking. The only song that wasn't awful to improvise over was "what is this thing called love?" Because its nearly all ii-Vs. I had to improv over "500 miles high" by Chick Corea and it was awful. A bunch of chords that didn't do anything. Dilly dallying about. Ugh.
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#67
Still writing my first piece, not sure if I'm going to be able to get 2 done by the deadline lol.
#69
Going on holiday for two weeks tomorrow, so here are my pieces. Am going to record the Waltz, gimme a sec and I'll post a link.

EDIT:

Turns out you can't get anywhere near a decent sound recording a piano with a webcam mic >.<
Attachments:
Theme_and_Variations_in_A_(MT_Challenge).pdf
Waltz_in_A_(MT_Challenge).pdf
Theme_and_Variations_in_A_(MT_Challenge).mid
Waltz_in_A_(MT_Challenge).mid
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#71
Here we go.

Piece from last challenge:http://musescore.com/user/21980/scores/37506

And a new version for this challenge:https://soundcloud.com/duaneclapdrix/a-maj-5-4-14-v3

I'll try to have the next two done for next weekend. I'm mostly finished with the first version.

It might be fun or beneficial if we posted what we thought of our pieces in terms of what our goals were when we were composing them.

Things I think I improved on:
  • The transition into the B section/general coherence.

  • The transition back to the A.


Things I don't like:

  • The beginning is to repetitive. I should have tweaked it but I was focused on other things I guess

  • The B section can feel odd beatwise depending on how you feel it. 12/8 vs still in 4. I wasn't sure if should mess with it or not. I have a version where m 12 is 11/8 which seemed fix the "problem" to my ears.

  • The transition back to the A section isn't terrible but it could be better.

  • I'm not sure my A' was succefull as a variation. I was trying to combine the 8ths with the longer pentatonic bits.

  • The ending was thrown together today. It could have used a bit more polish.



Both of the times I forced myself to write endings for these, I got more ideas for what I could have done. The first time I realized that the ending I wrote would have worked better as a transition to the B section, which is why I wrote the second version and made the challenge. In the second piece I realized all of the cool rhythmic displacement shenanigans I could have got up to. I kind of feel the ending I wrote wanted to go on (so not the best ending then) and I kind of made it quiet down. I want to do something with the F#-Eb-Eb-C#-C# thing that started at the end. I think it could have gone somewhere cool. Next time.
Attachments:
A maj 5 4 14 3.pdf
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#72
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Going on holiday for two weeks tomorrow, so here are my pieces. Am going to record the Waltz, gimme a sec and I'll post a link.

You're getting the hang of creating a clear melody but there is a lot more work needed. There's not a great sense of voiceleading and a lot of it has counterpoint issues. You should also explore more interesting textures. Straight quarter notes all the way through for everything gets tiring fast. The theme / variation had some nice starting potentials but the problem again is "sameness". Once an initial texture is established, there's nothing to change and explore with. I'd like to see you raising the standards for yourself next time.

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And a new version for this challenge:https://soundcloud.com/duaneclapdrix/a-maj-5-4-14-v3

This is a great start. But I feel that in its current state it is merely a sketch and there's so much more potential within what you've established here.

The one contention I've had with this challenge is the way in which we're trying to "make the most with what you have" does not really address the goal of the challenge. I believe the true test lies in how much you can expand on the ideas within the same piece, not taking it and creating a bunch of separate and equally underdeveloped variations.

That's what the piece says to me...that ultimately neither theme A nor B is given enough time to flourish and I'd much rather hear these 2 presented in their full capacity.

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Going on holiday for two weeks tomorrow, so here are my pieces. Am going to record the Waltz, gimme a sec and I'll post a link.

EDIT:

Turns out you can't get anywhere near a decent sound recording a piano with a webcam mic >.<


Dude, you spent like 10 minutes on these didn't you? And are we suppose to write within the common practice era tradition for this? Or are we allowed to write whatever we want as long as we follow the rules of the competition?
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#76
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This is a great start. But I feel that in its current state it is merely a sketch and there's so much more potential within what you've established here.

The one contention I've had with this challenge is the way in which we're trying to "make the most with what you have" does not really address the goal of the challenge. I believe the true test lies in how much you can expand on the ideas within the same piece, not taking it and creating a bunch of separate and equally underdeveloped variations.

That's what the piece says to me...that ultimately neither theme A nor B is given enough time to flourish and I'd much rather hear these 2 presented in their full capacity.


I completely agree. The piece I'm finishing for next week has about three ideas. When I was fiddling with it this morning I realized I kind of just presented them and didn't really flesh them out. I think it's because I've had this mindset of "practice the forms, keep them short and move on" and I don't know why now that I think about it. I suppose I never thought about writing a longer piece. Probably because I think I still have a beginners mindset of "I'll write a proper piece once I'm better" which is a bit self defeating I suppose. I should practice writing a good short piece that doesn't sound like a sketch as well as a longer piece that has more fleshed out ideas. I don't think I'll be able to fix up next weeks in time and it suffers from "sketch syndrome" even more than these do but I'll post em anyway.

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And are we supposed to write within the common practice era tradition for this? Or are we allowed to write whatever we want as long as we follow the rules of the competition?


Whatever style of music pleases you. I'm certainly not quite in the common practice period.

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Dude, you spent like 10 minutes on these didn't you?


Now, now. This could be taken the wrong way. Let's have none of that. Neitsche is on vacation at the moment and I don't know if he has access to the internet so you could remove it before he gets back. It certainly doesn't add anything to the thread.
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#77
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You're getting the hang of creating a clear melody but there is a lot more work needed. There's not a great sense of voiceleading and a lot of it has counterpoint issues. You should also explore more interesting textures. Straight quarter notes all the way through for everything gets tiring fast. The theme / variation had some nice starting potentials but the problem again is "sameness". Once an initial texture is established, there's nothing to change and explore with. I'd like to see you raising the standards for yourself next time.


Thanks for taking the time to listen to my beginner fiddlings and diddlings

I wonder what advice you have with regards to getting better at voice-leading and counterpoint. I've done/am still doing academic-style chorale writing and species counterpoint but then I look at actual chorales by Bach and Motets by Palestrina and fall on my knees and weep at my inadequacy ;_;

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Now, now. This could be taken the wrong way. Let's have none of that. Neitsche is on vacation at the moment and I don't know if he has access to the internet so you could remove it before he gets back.


Foreign countries still have the internet apparently even though it's shitty and slow.

GoldenGuitar can leave his comment up, it doesn't upset me
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#78
I'm from Ohio so I just assumed when you said you were going on vacation or "holiday" that you meant camping out in the wilderness lol. I forgot people go places besides the middle of nowhere for vacation. Some campsites have wifi but I always try to stay off because if you don't then you suck at camping.
#79
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GoldenGuitar can leave his comment up, it doesn't upset me

Just letting you know I wasn't saying it as an insult. It was just instinct, but I could be completely wrong.
#80
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I completely agree. The piece I'm finishing for next week has about three ideas. When I was fiddling with it this morning I realized I kind of just presented them and didn't really flesh them out. I think it's because I've had this mindset of "practice the forms, keep them short and move on"
Form for the sake of form doesn't really say much. Form supports what you want to express in an organized way, that's all. So to just do enough to satisfy the basic definition of a form is a little defeating of the purpose. You should strive to make the best music you can in a way that's musically satisfying and "complete", not to fill a mechanics of theory.

and I don't know why now that I think about it. I suppose I never thought about writing a longer piece. Probably because I think I still have a beginners mindset of "I'll write a proper piece once I'm better" which is a bit self defeating I suppose.
Regardless of length, the music should be as musical as you can possibly make it to the best of your ability.

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