#1
I'm looking for either a combo amp or a head and speaker that adds up to my price range. Not gonna add many pedals or anything...looking for a simple rig. Something good for a guitar that is detuned, playing melodic, heavy gain stuff. Preferably a used one.

I want a Marshall really bad...but they go for so much. I was looking at peavey's...but idk if they are going to give me the thick melodic guitar sound i want...I know i would want one with v30's in it probably, not sheffields
#3
I'd recommend using that money to buy a used Mesa 4x12, then save up. If you buy a combo, you're gonna have to sell it when you need a stack, and that could be tricky, if you buy a cheap cab, you're gonna have to sell that to replace it, and that'll be tricky, so get a great, expensive cab, then you're free to use any head you want. I'll hazard a guess and say you'll be much happier with a Peavey than a Marshall for what you play, the 6505 has sort of become the standard for heavy, detuned music, unless I've misunderstood you, really, heavy and detuned can be anything from Bullet For My Valentine to Cathedral.
#4
Quote by CelestialGuitar
I'd recommend using that money to buy a used Mesa 4x12, then save up. If you buy a combo, you're gonna have to sell it when you need a stack, and that could be tricky, if you buy a cheap cab, you're gonna have to sell that to replace it, and that'll be tricky, so get a great, expensive cab, then you're free to use any head you want. I'll hazard a guess and say you'll be much happier with a Peavey than a Marshall for what you play, the 6505 has sort of become the standard for heavy, detuned music, unless I've misunderstood you, really, heavy and detuned can be anything from Bullet For My Valentine to Cathedral.

Nothing wrong with a combo, these days anything that needs higher volumes then a combo can manage will just mic you up anyway
#5
For that money: used Peavey 6505, 6505+, 5150, 5150II, Ultra, XXX, JSX.

You might score a used Marshall DSL for that price too, but as much as I love Marshalls nowadays, Peavey is your better bet for a thick, straight-out brutal metal tone.
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#6
5150.

The Sheffields aren't bad. They'll do just fine until you get around to deciding which speakers you really want to put in it. Considered a Texas Heat/Swamp Thang combo for my 5150 212.

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#7
The joe satriani model marshall is my dream head right now...might have to settle with peavey though...despite that amp being kind of a one trick pony. I'm not playing only heavy stuff...a good clean channel would be awesome too. I want a devin townsend type thickness in my heavy tone
#8
Why not get the Peavey JSX? it is a great amp and super versatile. No it is not the Marshall JS head, but it is a very good amp.
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#9
Despite what everyone else is saying the 6505+/5150II have a pretty usable clean and crunch tone as well. It's no Fender clean and Marshall crunch, but certainly usable. And the lead channel is just a metal-players dream IMO.

Peavey JSX might be a more or less good call aswell. It's basically a Triple X, but a with a more 'classic' voicing on the gain channels and with a better clean channel from what I read.

Honestly, if you're still set on getting a Marshall I'd say look if you can find a used JCM 2000 DSL, should be in your price range. Amazing amp with a very ballsy tone, all the gain you need and they also provide a great clean and crunch tone for the 20 minutes a week you're not playing balls out metal.
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#11
If you are looking for KSE, AILD, ATR etc. sound i would not recommend a marshall, i have tried like 3 of those amps and they all didn't sound really well, but they are really good for lighter more crunchy stuff like ac/dc and so on.
#12
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If you are looking for KSE, AILD, ATR etc. sound i would not recommend a marshall, i have tried like 3 of those amps and they all didn't sound really well, but they are really good for lighter more crunchy stuff like ac/dc and so on.


If you got those bands from my bio...I made that list in like 8th grade lol. A marshall is probably perfect for what I want.
#13
Where are you located? If you are in the US then maybe we can find a good amp for you locally.
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#14
Peavy 5150/6505. If you want to get away for less I'd reccomend the Valveking (not using the Valveking cab to match it). It's much better than what people give it credit for and it can produce some reasonable hi-gain tones that work extremely well in a live-context.
#15
Quote by LouieKablouie77
If you got those bands from my bio...I made that list in like 8th grade lol. A marshall is probably perfect for what I want.


Why don't you actually tell us what you want to play (what bands you want to sound like) so we can give suggestions that actually help you. I haven't seen any sort of info like that in this thread.
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#16
I get the feeling that TS would be way happier with a Peavey 5150/6505 than a Marshall, even though he says he wants a Marshall. I haven't heard/played a Marshall yet that could hold a candle to my 6505+ when it comes to sheer brutality.
#17
I play a lot of Slayer, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Dissection, High On Fire, Devin Townsend, Black Sabbath, Smashing pumpkins, Decapitated

As you can see I would probably want something that offers something more than just high gain, something with at least decent crunch and clean.
#18
Vypyr Tube 60?

Just throwin' it out there.
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#19
Crunch channel on a 6505 isn't bad.
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#20
6505 can actually be a good rock amp. Dialed in right.
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#21
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Crunch channel on a 6505 isn't bad.

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6505 can actually be a good rock amp. Dialed in right.


Can confirm.

It just feels... wrong though.


A JSX or an Ultra Plus would be a good choice, I think.
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#22
5150ii/6505+
like epicurt said if you take the time to dial them in it can do passable "rock" tones. but for this case im gonna go with the vyper tube 60 or the JSX w/ a boost to hit Devins tones.
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#23
Quote by Offworld92
Can confirm.

It just feels... wrong though.




+1

Oh man this so much.


TS the 5150 can do those melodic tones just fine, imo.
It's going to sound fine, and just that, with Sheffields.
Its going to sound a bit better with V30's.
It actually sounds pretty good with both.
#24
Quote by KailM
I get the feeling that TS would be way happier with a Peavey 5150/6505 than a Marshall, even though he says he wants a Marshall. I haven't heard/played a Marshall yet that could hold a candle to my 6505+ when it comes to sheer brutality.

5150's are great amps, but marshalls can be amazing amps, JCM900 SL-X or DSL would be a good choice.
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#25
I'm also throwing a Laney Ironheart in the mix.
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#26
The Mesa DC5 is nice.
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#28
Honestly, what I would do is find a JCM2000 DSL, and for the super br00tz stuff throw a tubescreamer in front.
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#29
Found a 5150 combo amp with sheffields, 60w i believe, for $475. I think I'm gonna do it! pretty decent deal right?
#32
Both are good amps/deal, the JCM if is coupled with original Celestions cab is probably the better resale value but might need an overdrive for that to get to the more heavy stuff. Both great amps, so it is really up to you.
#33
I would not suggest the JCM900 DR. The JCM 900 SL-X is great, but the DR is pretty meh, but there are some good easy mods you can do to them to make them good.

For $475 I'd buy it and a 1960 cab without thinking about it. Then if you like the amp great, if not you can easily get $500 for the head if it is working and in good shape. I would also rather have a head and cab over a 2x12 combo, it is easier to move the head and cab. 2x12 combos are tanks especially the 5150.
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#34
Quote by LouieKablouie77
Found a 5150 combo amp with sheffields, 60w i believe, for $475. I think I'm gonna do it! pretty decent deal right?


Depends on if you're factoring in the back surgery you'll need or not.
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#35
Quote by Offworld92
Depends on if you're factoring in the back surgery you'll need or not.

He said he recently replaced the preamp tubes with tungsons and the power tubes with rubies, it has the stock sheffields.
#36
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Depends on if you're factoring in the back surgery you'll need or not.

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He said he recently replaced the preamp tubes with tungsons and the power tubes with rubies, it has the stock sheffields.

Translation: It's a heavy amp.
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#38
I owned one. Never, ever again.

Inb4 Cath comes in and calls me a little bitch and spams up the thread with his stupid dolly pictures.

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#39
Please get one with casters on it.

I ordered one with casters.

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#40
hey OP, 5150/6505

if you're talking about thick, percussive, tight modern metal rhythms, there is no head i've ever played through that fit that purpose better than a 5150/6505 that i've liked more.
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