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Do you believe in legal positivism or the natural law theory?

Are law and morality connected?

This should be pretty one sided, but I'm looking for opinions.
RIP Tom Searle.
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#3
Some laws are moral, some laws are there cause some politicians pocket got stuffed. Some laws a majority of people disagree with so why are they even there huh. Laws have more to do with the Government and how they choose to rule.
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I like to think of Harvey Dent as some sort of Tooth Fairy equivalent.


Harvey Dentures?
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Some laws are moral, some laws are there cause some politicians pocket got stuffed. Some laws a majority of people disagree with so why are they even there huh. Laws have more to do with the Government and how they choose to rule.



lol. Could you get any more general?
RIP Tom Searle.
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lol. Could you get any more general?

laws may or may not be like rules
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#13
I think laws should be come about in a moral manner, but I am wholeheartedly against legislating morality. It goes with my "don't seek to do anything too permanent" philosophy. Because what if you're wrong?
#14
A massive herd of people following and obeying some sentences a group of rich people made up a long time ago? There is no such thing as law. It's just a word that binds you from doing anything.
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lol Shornifier.

Not sure if taking the mick, or just dumb.
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#17
"The government should just be there to keep the roads paved and the sewers running" as my dad says. Over the years, I've grown to agree. It's obvious that you're not supposed to kill someone unless they're trying to kill you or someone close to you, and it's obvious you're not supposed to steal from someone. It's not so obvious that you're not supposed to walk across the street when you're not at a crosswalk, or park your car on your front lawn.

And now I'm probably on some list just for *sounding* like a Libertarian (and another one for acknowledging that there is a libertarian list) but it's Natural Law for me.
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A massive herd of people following and obeying some sentences a group of rich people made up a long time ago? There is no such thing as law. It's just a word that binds you from doing anything.

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#19
I don't know dick about law.

Can anyone give a quick run down of what Natural Law and Legal Positivism are? Do we have a law-slacker?
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I don't know dick about law.

Can anyone give a quick run down of what Natural Law and Legal Positivism are? Do we have a law-slacker?

Yeaaah I could probably do with the same if anyone knows their shit?

I've just been accepted onto an MA course which features law pretty heavily, and I haven't a clue what these things mean which doesn't bode well.
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lol. Could you get any more general?

Says the dude who made the thread by just throwing out a few law-related buzzwords and offering neither any further explanation nor his own opinion on the matter.
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#22
I don't see how the laws that stop gays from getting married, are morally right.
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#24
Shared goals -> shared values (things that are better at achieving shared goals are more valuable) -> shared morals (things which are better at achieving shared goals are good) -> laws (we don't trust everyone to make the right decision so we enforce it)
#25
Laws should be in place so that we don't stab each other and shit.
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elegantly put
#28
Laws are for that weaker humans wouldn't get stomped all over and that they'd have a chance in life
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I don't know dick about law.

Can anyone give a quick run down of what Natural Law and Legal Positivism are? Do we have a law-slacker?


I would never presume to call myself a slacker (it seems like the height of arrogance), but I'll give you a little sumpin-sumpin.

Natural law is a system that recognizes that we have certain universally accepted rights in virtue of human nature.

Legal positivism is a more de facto analysis of law. Namely, that laws originate from legal sources. So a law passed by Congress is a law, regardless of how it figures in to "natural laws."
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Laws are for that weaker humans wouldn't get stomped all over and that they'd have a chance in life

You'd be one of the first dead.
#33
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You'd be one of the first dead.

I know. I even have trouble getting life sorted out with laws covering my back
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Yeah, it's going to be one sided... I believe in Harvey Dent too.

Wouldn't that make it pretty.... two-sided?
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Wouldn't that make it pretty.... two-sided?


Well played. Well played indeed.
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I don't think it's right for a human to judge another human in any way.
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I don't think it's right for a human to judge another human in any way.


So you are an anarchist, I assume?
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I don't know dick about law.

Can anyone give a quick run down of what Natural Law and Legal Positivism are? Do we have a law-slacker?


Lol at the term 'slacker' becoming a term for somone who knows something about something.

Here will, hope this helps.
http://web.nmsu.edu/~dscoccia/376web/376lpaust.pdf
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I took a philosophy course last semester based almost entirely around this kind of stuff, and I found it really interesting. I think a lot of it comes down to perspective, personally. Even if someone calls themselves a natural law theorist they can still have positivist views on other things or see some laws as solely legally binding with no moral influence.
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