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*Guitar*Man*
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So, I need one perfect Heavy metal distortion pedal, with a nice heavy tone like metallica, good for speed solos, and I want it to be able to combined with a crybaby wah, and produce a nice sound, not sh*tty like I tried to combine it with a Boss Metalcore. And also I want it to be under 130$. I was thinking of the Digitech Metal Distortion, but I prefer to ask you guys for an opinion
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What amp are you using? The best answer is most certainly going to be saving up to upgrade your amp, but we'll see.
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*Guitar*Man*
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No, no my amp is new, I bought it just 2 months ago. It's a peavey envoy 110. There are no distortion channels on it..
D_M_I
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#4
Quote by *Guitar*Man*
There are no distortion channels on it..


There's your problem right there.


It has a gain channel....
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MaggaraMarine
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#5
Quote by *Guitar*Man*
No, no my amp is new, I bought it just 2 months ago. It's a peavey envoy 110. There are no distortion channels on it..

Wut? Yes there is. It's called the lead channel. And it has a pre gain control, turn it up for more distortion (don't max it - you need less gain than you would think, too much gain just makes you sound muddy). It should also have three voicings: modern, classic and high gain. Try them all. I have never played through the amp, I just looked a picture of it. Just learn to use your amp and don't worry about pedals. Also tweak your EQ settings (meaning that don't just scoop your mids and crank bass and treble - start with everything at noon and start tweaking from there).

And Death Metal pedal? Seriously? It doesn't have a gain knob so you can't control the amount of distortion. I wouldn't buy it.

And to get a good tone out of your wah, you need to have it before your distortion, not after it. That's why it sounded crappy. Learn to use your gear before wasting money on new stuff.
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lemurflames
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#6
You need a new amp.

Good distortion comes from the amp. Then you use an overdrive to enhance and tweak it.

Uh... EDIT: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/peavey-envoy-110-guitar-amplifier-with-transtube-technology

Yea, what? There's even a switch that says "High Gain".
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*Guitar*Man*
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#7
The amp's overdrive is a piece of shit, there is no way it can be used for metal
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Are you sure? Switch to your lead channel, tweak your EQ settings, turn up your pre-gain, try different voicings (high gain, classic and modern). I'm sure you'll find some useable tones. And I'm sure it will sound better than Death Metal pedal.

Did you only use your clean channel with cranked gain? You need to switch to your lead channel.

Come back after you have tried some different settings.

Here's a video. Start at 2:29.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSy2nKuzBc
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Offworld92
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#9
Then why did you buy it?
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*Guitar*Man*
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#10
I don't like much the in-amp distortions, actually. I prefer pedals.
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#11
And the heavy tone the guy in the video get it's completely different, and there's no way my amp can do the same. I think he have modded his own or it's a different model I don't know. I know that the heaviest tone my amo can reach is a weak overdrive..
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#13
Quote by *Guitar*Man*
Can anyone suggest a pedal, as I asked??

No, because what you want is a good tone, not a good pedal. And like everyone else said, metal tone mostly comes from the amp, not the pedal. The pedal is for a bit of extra gain; you shouldn't even need it for a basic crunch sound.
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#14
You're not going to be able to find a high gain pedal that'll work with a Crybaby. Crybaby's can't take that much gain.

That being said, I'm pretty sure you need to fiddle with your amp a little bit more. And if you want all of your tone to come from pedals, why'd you buy an Envoy and not go for something like a Roland Jazz Chorus or something?

Wrst_EDIT_Evr: Also, what guitar are you using?
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MaaZeus
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Peavey Envoy, which I have, is basically a downsized less powerful Peavey Bandit. Unless there is something wrong with the amp it should have a SHIT-TON of preamp gain available. I think it has decent distortion channel itself but what holds it back is the 10" piece of shit speaker. No pedal is going to improve that, the sound is still going through and butchered by it. Sorry, what you really need is a new amp, not a new pedal. Or start modding it and add external cab jack, an idea I have been toying around myself. Turning it into a lunchbox head basically.

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Can anyone suggest a pedal, as I asked??

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Hmm, I don't have money for a ney amp, so maybe I shall try modding the amp. Emm, is there a good wah pedal that can be combined with heavy distortion? And not too expencive of course!
7thString
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#20
Boss HM-2. Keep treble at zero to keep the bees at bay...
D_M_I
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#21
Quote by *Guitar*Man*
Can anyone suggest a pedal, as I asked??


The problem is, a pedal will sound worse than the amp.


1. You're not asking/describing the right question. Amp has distortion but you say it doesn't, but need a pedal for distortion. If the amp doesn't, neither will a distortion pedal....


2. You're a troll. Amp has lead channel with gain but you say it doesn't have distortion. The other amp must be modded.......


3. You're Completely and utterly clueless. Amp has lead channel with gain but you say it doesn't have distortion. The other amp must be modded.......


Are you sure you're not the guy in the youtube comments for the vid saying he can't figure out how to get anything other than clean? "How the hell do i set this thing to metal? All i can get out of it is clean. Im going insane"


By the way, yes, I am a douche.
*Guitar*Man*
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#22
Ok, so i''l definitely buy the Zoom Tri metal! The heaviest distortion I have ever heard!
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#23
Quote by D_M_I
The problem is, a pedal will sound worse than the amp.


1. You're not asking/describing the right question. Amp has distortion but you say it doesn't, but need a pedal for distortion. If the amp doesn't, neither will a distortion pedal....


2. You're a troll. Amp has lead channel with gain but you say it doesn't have distortion. The other amp must be modded.......


3. You're Completely and utterly clueless. Amp has lead channel with gain but you say it doesn't have distortion. The other amp must be modded.......


Are you sure you're not the guy in the youtube comments for the vid saying he can't figure out how to get anything other than clean? "How the hell do i set this thing to metal? All i can get out of it is clean. Im going insane"


By the way, yes, I am a douche.

I said the amp doesn't have a distortion, it has overdrive but it's shitty as f*ck. I had a boss metal core, but it broke, so I'm looking for something else. And I found Zoom Tri metal! And no, I'm not the guy who left that comment on Youtube.
Offworld92
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#24
Quote by *Guitar*Man*
And the heavy tone the guy in the video get it's completely different, and there's no way my amp can do the same. I think he have modded his own or it's a different model I don't know. I know that the heaviest tone my amo can reach is a weak overdrive..


Show us a picture of your settings. It might be a small switch you forgot to switch or something.

Your amp is absolutely capable of that sound, unless something is wrong on your settings, or something inside the amp is actually broken.
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MaaZeus
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Quote by Offworld92
Show us a picture of your settings. It might be a small switch you forgot to switch or something.

Your amp is absolutely capable of that sound, unless something is wrong on your settings, or something inside the amp is actually broken.



Yeah. Switch to lead channel, turn the Pre-gain (AKA just Gain in most amps) really high and post-gain (AKA volume in every single other amp. Such a stupid name they chose...) low to keep your ears intact, and switch the voicing to either on high-gain or modern if you prefer scooped tone. If it doesnt distort like mother****er there is something wrong in your Envoy. It may not sound good but the amount of gain available is easily on the modern-metal levels.

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#26
I'm actually surprised by that distortion. Sounded pretty good.
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MaggaraMarine
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#27
The amp in the video is exactly the same amp as you have. The amp in the video may be older generation but the newest one has exactly the same features. And it's not modded if MaaZeus could get high gain tones out of his amp too. I think it would say in the video if the amp was modded.

Yes, tell us your settings. Did you switch it to the lead channel? Did you try different voicings? Did you adjust pre gain? Did you try different EQ settings. Post a video of you playing through the amp and trying different settings. Or at least a picture of your front panel.

Answer all questions I asked in this post!!
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*Guitar*Man*
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No, no I tried absolutely everything, and I know 100% my amp's distortion is shitty, but thanks anyway
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Quote by *Guitar*Man*
No, no I tried absolutely everything, and I know 100% my amp's distortion is shitty, but thanks anyway


**** it then, don't come asking for help if you're not going to help us help you.
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#30
Quote by *Guitar*Man*
No, no I tried absolutely everything, and I know 100% my amp's distortion is shitty, but thanks anyway

Well, this thread is pointless. You've made no real effort. Go buy a Digitech Metal Master or something.

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Well, if you are hellbent on getting a distortion pedal, the Metal Muff or Digitech Hardwire metal pedal have gotten some good word as far as cheaper distortion pedals go, look into those. But if they really make your Envoy sound better as far as its shitty speaker allows, I bet there is something odd going on in the lead channel of your amp.

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#32
Joyo Pocket Metal.

It has a handy mids knob that let you scoop 'em as much as you want to.

It also goes for $35.
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#33
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Buullshiiit! Turn that sucker near max for some Swedish Deathmetal goodness.

But yeah, as much as I like HM2 I doubt its what TS is looking for his distortion needs.

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#34
I just bought a Line 6 POD XT for $66 used. get one and you will have a very nice practice tool with a bunch of amp,cab and FX models that sound pretty good. You can use headphones or run it on your clean channel or FX loop (if your amp has one)
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#35
I would still recommend TS to learn to use his amp. I'm sure he didn't even try the lead channel. Or then he mixed pre and post gain knobs or something. Or then there's something wrong with his amp. Can't tell without pictures or video.
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*Guitar*Man*
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I would still recommend TS to learn to use his amp. I'm sure he didn't even try the lead channel. Or then he mixed pre and post gain knobs or something. Or then there's something wrong with his amp. Can't tell without pictures or video.

No, you're wrong. I tried the lead channel and I also tried the settings that i've seen on videos but the tone is still shitty. Maybe my amp has a problem, i dunno
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#37
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#38
Quote by Flux'D
Since nobody has asked...
What guitar are you using?

I didn't bother.

He's just gonna say something stupid or dodge the question entirely.
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Offworld92
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#39
Quote by Flux'D
Since nobody has asked...
What guitar are you using?


Does it really matter? Even the weakest single coils aren't going to make the Peavey Transtube's gain disappear like OP is describing.
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#40
I know this won't change your mind, but I've tried running different distortion pedals through my Roland Cube. None of them sound any better than the amp's built in distortion. I'd only suggest a distortion pedal if you had a clean based amp (that sounds good) like some sort of Fender, and there wasn't a way to overdrive the signal to get the amount of distortion necessary.
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