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So I currently have a Bugera 6260 (old version) and am finding it pretty restrictive in sound.

I typically play drop tuned metal the bugera sound great at all out brutal (which I love) but that's about all it does epically at. Its a lovely amp I just think I may have outgrown it.

So following my previous thread a couple more amps have come onto my radar. These are the laney ironhert and Blackstar s1 6l6. both would be heads.

Any got any experience with these? im after something that can do all out brutal but can have a more flexible side
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I think the Ironheart would be a bit cheaper if price is a concern. What kind of Series One are you looking at? I'm pretty sure the less expensive ones have a shared EQ, so that's something to think about depending on how much versatility you're after.

I'd go for whatever one sounded the best to my tastes, because they're both great amps from what I've heard. Haven't played either, so I can't really give you much personal input.
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it would be the s1046l6 - if I went for the blackstar
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I'd probably go with the Blackstar if it was me then.
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I like Laneys way more than Blackstar, so I vote Laney VH100r
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Well I don't like the HT series much at all, but their Series One amps are nice.
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Well I don't like the HT series much at all, but their Series One amps are nice.

I agree, and as much as I dislike Blackstar, I would get one over the IRT series Laneys.

The Laney VH100r is an amp TS really should look into though. I'd take one over a series one any day
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Haven't played an Ironheart, but based on clips alone I'd go for the Ironheart rather than the Series One. The Series One kind of lacks character and sounds kinda flabby to me.

Also throwing a Marshall DSL in the mix if you're after a good british high-gain amp.
Jet City JCA50/100 and JCA100HDM are also quite nice from what I've heard.
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Haven't played an Ironheart, but based on clips alone I'd go for the Ironheart rather than the Series One. The Series One kind of lacks character and sounds kinda flabby to me.

Also throwing a Marshall DSL in the mix if you're after a good british high-gain amp.
Jet City JCA50/100 and JCA100HDM are also quite nice from what I've heard.


Can they get pretty high gain tones? or would they need a pedal to drive them?


Another option that keeps popping is the marshall mode 4, any thoughts?
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The JCM2000 DSL50/100 gets pretty mean sounding and has enough gain on tap for most types of music and with a boost it can do the rest.

The Jet City JCA50/100/100hdm can do hi-gain just fine by itself.

Marshall Mode 4 is basically a 300watt Valvestate amp and they suck. The M4 4x12 cabs are great though one is loaded with V30's (MF280) and one with K-100's (MF400)
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TS where are you located and what is your budget?
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Manchester, UK, and up to around £500-£600 used or new
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The Ironheart or the DSL?

IMO both can sound pretty brutal on their own, but an OD-pedal is always nice for some extra punch and tightness.
If you want an amp you can also use pretty well at home though I suspect the Ironheart would be better. Most Marshalls don't sound amazing if you're not playing them loud, and I think the DSL is one of them.

The Mode Four isn't great.
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the jet cities have a shitload (technical term ) of preamp gain.

it's hard to beat them for high gain tones at the price you can get them for on thomann. heck it's hard to beat them for double the price they go for on thomann.

combine with the harley benton g212vintage.

only slight concern is they are still high gain amps. they're not massively versatile, either. Then again I'm not sure really of any amps that are (and which still will do modern high gain tones) at your budget. you're not getting a bogner ecstacy, mesa roadking or engl SE for £600, lol.
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So A jet city would be a better buy? Irrespective of price im talking for tone really.
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i'm not sure. i've never tried a bugera- most of the complaints seemed to centre around the reliability/fact they went on fire, i haven't heard many complaints about the tone.
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The Series Ones are powerful as hell, but they're not brutal in the way that your 6260 is. In fact, no amp is. Nothing can do 6505 like a 6505 can.

The Ironheart will be way closer to what you're used to.

That said, the 6505 is actually a surprisingly versatile amp - you just have to work with it, and dial it in. Pickups will play a role here too. I know R45VT is very fond of it for sounds other than the typical brootz they're used for. It can do hard rock and classic metal too, you just need to sit down with it and play it in ways you're not used to.
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I have also now been offere a marshall DSL 100 head, ive heard they are really sweet for leads and can boost up nicely?

or is the series one better?

or the jca?

or just keep my bugera?

Help needed!
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JCM2000 DSL100 or new DSL100?

I really like my JCM2000, it is really versatile. I play Punk/Hardcore in a band and also in a Prog-metal band also and the DSL works great. I run a boost or 2 in the front and it sounds great.
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Like I said I really like mine. With the right tubes in the pre-amp it can sound great.

What type of music are you going to be playing?
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I play in a horror metal band, we play a lot of drop b, I would ideally like quite a harmonic bassy tone, but with a smooth lead sound. I like an amp that can push a fair bit of air too, if you know what I mean.
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Yeah my prog band is similar to a Mastadon type sound. Drop C and my DSL works great for it. notes stay pretty defined even in low tunings.
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does it get lot of punch or is it a little fizzy?
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Out of the 2 amp originally listed, the Blackstar.

I've used a number of the a series amps (100 el35, 6l6, 200, 100) live and they've always sounded great. And they're built to last!
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does it get lot of punch or is it a little fizzy?


The JCM2000 very nice it have has lots of punch, and it still cuts through the mix. I like it much better than the Blackstar series 1 amps I have played
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Out of the two originally listed, I'd go with Laney. Very versatile and hard to beat for the price.
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so does everyone think the Bugera needs to go?
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restrictive sound?? well I have to brutally honest on this matter it is not the amp that is restricted its you not your gear.
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restrictive sound?? well I have to brutally honest on this matter it is not the amp that is restricted its you not your gear.

Yet a 5150 and a BC Rich Warlock wouldn't exactly inspire me to play country or rockabilly, nor would I say that some hollow-body Gretsch into a Twin Reverb would make a particularly convenient set-up for 80s thrash metal.

If TS wants a new amp, just let him get one.
Personally I've had it before that my gear kind of limits my playing/inspiration, because it just doesn't sound the way I want. And I don't feel particularly inspired or comfortable playing something that doesn't want to do what I want from it.
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^ +1

while technically you might be able to play anything on any guitar and amp, it sure as heck makes it a whole lot easier if it's a suitable guitar and amp
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Yet a 5150 and a BC Rich Warlock wouldn't exactly inspire me to play country or rockabilly, nor would I say that some hollow-body Gretsch into a Twin Reverb would make a particularly convenient set-up for 80s thrash metal.

If TS wants a new amp, just let him get one.
Personally I've had it before that my gear kind of limits my playing/inspiration, because it just doesn't sound the way I want. And I don't feel particularly inspired or comfortable playing something that doesn't want to do what I want from it.

Im just saying if you have high gain amp and gonna change it for another that is almost the same?? a more pricey tube amp??its gonna fix your problems?
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Im just saying if you have high gain amp and gonna change it for another that is almost the same?? a more pricey tube amp??its gonna fix your problems?

If the problem is that he's not getting the sound he wants, yes, getting a different high gain amp will solve his problems.

By restrictive he means in versatility of the amp, not in inspiration for playing. Even then, having a good tone helps out with inspiration, I've found.
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Im just saying if you have high gain amp and gonna change it for another that is almost the same?? a more pricey tube amp??its gonna fix your problems?


None of the amps (the Ironheart is the exception) listed sound like a 6260 at all. They are high gain, that's about it. It's like saying an Audi R8 is almost the same as Dodge Viper.


TS, for what it's worth, I think the DSL would be a heck of an amp. I would still like to own one some day.
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Thanks Guys, and yes the issue is not that you cant play varying items with my rig its that it doesnt get me the tone i want to play them if you get what i mean. The tone inspires me for all out chuggin, but not much else