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#1
Bear in mind i'm nowhere near old enough to speak about this as if i was there (I wasn't) but remember when Kill 'Em All was released? when Metallica got big? when Megadeth released Rust in Peace? Am I the only one that thinks that we will never have moments like those again in metal history?
No band that future generations (like me) can listen to and say "Even though this album came out about 10 years before i was born it still kicks the ass of most metal music released today!" Will there ever be another Big 4? With all these subgenres that are out these days there's not really any "new movement" that can start...just my opinion here
#2
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Bear in mind i'm nowhere near old enough to speak about this as if i was there (I wasn't) but remember when Kill 'Em All was released? when Metallica got big? when Megadeth released Rust in Peace? Am I the only one that thinks that we will never have moments like those again in metal history?
No band that future generations (like me) can listen to and say "Even though this album came out about 10 years before i was born it still kicks the ass of most metal music released today!" Will there ever be another Big 4? With all these subgenres that are out these days there's not really any "new movement" that can start...just my opinion here

Everyone hated them for "getting big".


Maybe you should go to the Metal forum.


I approve of your user title though.
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#4
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Heavy metal will never be as big as it used to be.


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I got to agree here.
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#6
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Heavy metal will never be as big as it used to be.

I could replace "Heavy Metal" with most genres, and the statement would still be true.

OT:
You know, in general, there's more new Metal than ever before. Yes, there's not a dominating movement as much as many new subgenres. However, Metal (like all music really) is much more easy to find than ever before. Go on bandcamp, and you can find several excellent metal EPs/albums (can't guarantee good album production though) for free or for very low cost. People act like, "Oh, hey...there's no band/movement for me to look back and say it changed things". Well, my response is..."So what?". Metal is evolving in many different new and exciting directions. In fact, heavy music in general is doing so. What's not to like?
#7
Yea, some pretty awesome albums have been released in our time.
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#8
hopefully not.
the big 4 are all bad.
sometimes I see us in a cymbal splash or in the sound of a car crash
#9
Such is the digital age. There's so much choice, no one genre outside of Pop is gonna have that again.

But that's a good thing, embrace it.
#10
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Such is the digital age. There's so much choice, no one genre outside of Pop is gonna have that again.

But that's a good thing, embrace it.

Heh, electronic music (or EDM, whatever the proper term for it is...) is a prime example. There's so many different genres/subgenres/sub-sub/etc. But that type of music hasn't suffered for it. As I understand it, fans of that type of music enjoy the freshness and creativity that such constant musical evolution has brought.
#11
Well metalcore is the new thrash, in terms of it being the it thing to do in metal you also need to remember that there are more bands competing for the same crowd. So give it a few years and every one will like the same fouror five bands.
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#12
Kill 'Em All and Rust In Peace are pretty boring albums, to be honest. The only reason Kill 'Em All is well known is because it was the first full Thrash album, however, there was already more enthusiastic bands out there by that time releasing EP's.

As for today's Metal scene; we have Antediluvian, Mitochondrion, Sacriphyx, Csjethe, Kathaaria, Inquisition, Dark Funeral, Pharaoh, Wodensthrone, Drudkh, Peste Noir, Ras Algethi, Mare Cognitum, Celtes Des Ghoules, Dodecahedron, The Chasm, Weapon, Pallbearer, Procession, Fall Of Idols, SubRosa, Scald, Warning, Nokturnal Mortum, Falkenbach, Vektor, Evergrey, Cynic, While Heaven Wept, Atlantean Kodex, Ahab, Kamelot, Gris, Jesu, Isis, Rosetta, Fanisk, Dosengel, In Solitude, Solstice, and a mass slew of other bands that would take me forever to list. We have hundreds of amazing Metal music released every year. Even for the people who want stuff more accessible we have tons of music. I don't feel the need to have some little specific "movement" that everyone and their mother can jump on and call it the new Maiden or Pantera or what-the-****-ever they like. I just want amazing music and that's what I'm getting.
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Heh, electronic music (or EDM, whatever the proper term for it is...) is a prime example. There's so many different genres/subgenres/sub-sub/etc. But that type of music hasn't suffered for it. As I understand it, fans of that type of music enjoy the freshness and creativity that such constant musical evolution has brought.

Yeah, EDM is great and you can quickly tell from listening approximately what year any given track came out, since the stylistic changes are fairly distinct yet all completely listenable. It's a good thing.
#16
no cuz it's all terribad you fat neckbeard
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#17
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Heh, electronic music (or EDM, whatever the proper term for it is...) is a prime example. There's so many different genres/subgenres/sub-sub/etc. But that type of music hasn't suffered for it. As I understand it, fans of that type of music enjoy the freshness and creativity that such constant musical evolution has brought.

EDM is really where I'd look to for an understanding of how underground music works. Because really what I think we're seeing happen in the industry now means is that genres and scenes are gonna be smaller, but we'll have more of them.

What I'm gonna be interested in seeing is whether scenes that are surviving now die out like they do in EDM as a result of this and how metal and rock heads deal with this, because obviously these musics have been around for decades. EDM fans are used to it, there's almost a common understanding in a scene that it could go under at any point (Unless you like House bangers or Trance or whatever - I'm talking about smaller scenes). It's expected that scenes will die - just as Jungle and UK Garage have, even though UK Garage produced hugely commercial successful Number 1 Hits.

I dunno, it's just a thought. Obviously there's periods where the general consensus will be "Oh, most Metal sucks nowadays", but I've never seen any discussion where metal fans have had to seriously consider whether it's dead. Buried. Not worth saving. Because that happens with smaller scenes and that's where we're all headed regardless of what music you like.
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but I've never seen any discussion where metal fans have had to seriously consider whether it's dead. Buried. Not worth saving. Because that happens with smaller scenes and that's where we're all headed regardless of what music you like.


With the way things are going, that won't happen for a good while.

^I forgot.
#21
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This thread is stupid

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#22
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This thread is stupid

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Modern metal is better anyways. The internet has given us some cool subgenres like blackgaze over the past few years.
#23
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With the way things are going, that won't happen for a good while.

Hopefully not. It's sad to see any scene die because you know people poured their heart and soul in to keeping it alive.

But use UK Garage as an example. It had THE biggest rave scene in the UK, was churning out hits like Gotta Get Through This that sells over half a million in the UK, reaches 10 on US Billboard, So Solid Crew have another UK Number 1 and sell over 100,000 in the first week of 21 Seconds. Artful Dodger are having huge success worldwide and there's still a huge underground scene to go along with all that.

UK Garage isn't made by anyone any more. There is not a single producer out there making a living out of making it. That huge success was only like 10 years ago and now that whole scene is gone.

Obviously Metal as a whole is better rooted than Garage was but specific sub genres are liable to fall as music becomes more splintered and vastly available. I could be chatting shit, but if we all agree specific scenes are gonna get smaller (So I mean, Dubstep as a whole would be too vast, but there was talk up until maybe a year ago of whether Deep Dubstep was just dead and needed to be left - that's how specific I mean by scene) then it seems like that's what should happen given the past.
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With the way things are going, that won't happen for a good while.

No, but there are various scenes that have died already. For instance, Djent is pretty much dead/dying; there's not a lot of commercial good Djent coming out now. (In fact, a few of the former big names of Djent have flat-out switched genres. Example: TessarcT are now doing Prog Rock.) I know a lot of the elitists were all gung-ho about how that wasn't Metal, but it was. It just wasn't what they liked about Metal. Anyway, my point is, there is a bit of ebb and flow within Metal. Consider how there's several new-ish bands that mix Black Metal or Death Metal with elements of various other genres.

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Modern metal is better anyways. The internet has given us some cool subgenres like blackgaze over the past few years.

That depends what you mean by "modern". Also, better is largely up to opinion.
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#25
I think Djent is a good example of how it'd work in non-EDM genres. Anybody who's gonna pretend it's not as close to dead as makes no difference isn't being honest with themselves.
#26
Periphery.
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#27
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hopefully not.
the big 4 are all bad.


Slayer and Anthrax are on-par with the lesser-known thrash bands, but I despise Megadeth.
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#29
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Periphery.

Have introduced some strong progressive elements into their sound and will probably continue in that direction.

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Is god awful.



Though I couldn't stand them until their 2nd full length came out...


Edit:
You know, it'd be great if people would stop trying to act like injecting their opinion on whether a genre is good or not is actually a valid conversation point. Just saying that it doesn't add a damn thing when people go, "X genre is terrible".
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#30
thrash metal is like, the worst kind of metal.

Granted, I only really listen to Opeth and Protest the Hero (if they count) so whatever
#31
No way does anything the Overrated 4 released kick the ass of new metal releases. The big 4 got big because they were early bands in a genre which was still establishing itself. They had no competitors and they built their names before the genre got big. The reality is, their music by modern standards is bland and uninspired. I bet if Metallica had started up in this day and age they wouldn't even be signed, let alone big.

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Dude, Isis died 3 years ago. You're a bastard for reopening that wound

Some big metal news site announced an Isis reunion a while ago.


But the article was written on April 1st. Imagine my pain ;_;
#32
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Is god awful.


People said and still say the same thing about Metallica and Megadeth. Music is entirely subjective. The Big 4 popularized the thrash movement which was new at the time, and now Periphery, among some other bands which it may or may have not influenced, is popularizing the Djent movement, which is newer and bigger than almost anything else (that tries to be different) in metal right now.

You don't have to like them at all but in my opinion they're different enough, popular enough, and influential enough to at least be the starting point of a new era in metal.
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#33
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Is god awful.


Dont go breakin my heart.


They're amazing live. I just saw them last night. Misha gave me a hug and I caught one of mats drum sticks. Its not signed or nothing which sucks, but whateva. So happy.


/fanboyism
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#34
Quote by Stringz of Fury
People said and still say the same thing about Metallica and Megadeth. Music is entirely subjective. The Big 4 popularized the thrash movement which was new at the time, and now Periphery, among some other bands which it may or may have not influenced, is popularizing the Djent movement, which is newer and bigger than almost anything else (that tries to be different) in metal right now.

You don't have to like them at all but in my opinion they're different enough, popular enough, and influential enough to at least be the starting point of a new era in metal.

But Djent isn't new or big anymore. I get your point, but you need to get your facts straight. It says something about Djent that many of the main bands of the movement are moving away from it. The only Djent bands that really exist are on bandcamp or are small touring bands these days. Even Periphery isn't pure Djent anymore. (Btw, if anyone says "Djent is Progressive Metal", I'm gonna slap a ho! You don't want to be responsible for the pain of some poor ho, do ya? Huh, do ya?!)
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#35
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Dont go breakin my heart.


They're amazing live. I just saw them last night. Misha gave me a hug and I caught one of mats drum sticks. Its not signed or nothing which sucks, but whateva. So happy.


/fanboyism

My friends are opening for them tonight and I want to go see them and one of the other local bands, but I can't justify spending 15 bucks for it.

Fun fact: The other local band is called David Hassellhoff on Acid and is absolutely amazing.
#36
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Some big metal news site announced an Isis reunion a while ago.


But the article was written on April 1st. Imagine my pain ;_;


I read the first sentence before going on google to find out.

When I didn't find anything, I read your second sentence
#37
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
But Djent isn't new or big anymore. I get your point, but you need to get your facts straight. It says something about Djent that many of the main bands of the movement are moving away from it. The only Djent bands that really exist are on bandcamp or are small touring bands these days. Even Periphery isn't pure Djent anymore. (Btw, if anyone says "Djent is Progressive Metal", I'm gonna slap a ho! You don't want to be responsible for the pain of some poor ho, do ya? Huh, do ya?!)


Periphery never was pure Djent. If they were they would be pretty boring, imo. I just think those Djenty parts stand out the most (for me at least). Periphery and other Djent bands still are Djenty, they just use those syncopated single string riffs sparingly because like i said, if that was all they did it would be super boring.

However I think Djent bands are still identifiable as unique and different from the rest of the scene metal scene and while they may not be as big as Metallica was in their day, I think they are still important and innovative enough to deserve some sort of special place in metal history just as the Big 4 did with their first few albums.
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#38
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
That depends what you mean by "modern". Also, better is largely up to opinion.

By modern, I mean metal made in the last 10 years or so. I consider it better because of the variety and the fact that the internet lets us access it and spread it. It is all subjective though, some may just prefer older styles.
#39
There'll never be anything on the same level as the likes of Priest, Motorhead, Metallica etc. ever again because when those bands came around, they were doing something new (or relatively new). Nowadays there's no such thing as originality and most bands struggle to find a stable identity, instead finding themselves lost in a sea of countless other bands who sound near enough identical. The fact that (in the UK at least) people seem to ignore unsigned talent certainly isn't helping.
#40
Metal has a future. It is already part of a greater social movement towards the hip and trendy. Only the past shall remain unbesmirched by the hip and trendy. Established artists from our past will continue to make solid records, to the best of their abilities and their creativity. As time goes on however, the genre gets redefined. Older artists call it quits, younger artists do whatever they want in accordance to what they believe sounds completely new and original. Original as in, they created it, and the world shall bear witness.

In the end, it will still be there in the same way Surf music is today. A couple of bands, a steady fanbase, both coming together for a world of fun in a relatively underground setting, since you don't need massive arena's and record labels to accomplish it. And who knows, it might resurge in its original state, but until then, the Metal that we've grown up with shall remain just that: a passion we've grown up with.

Mainstream tries to kill the Metal. Let's hope it will be smitten to the ground.
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