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#1
So I'm going to Tokyo next week for holiday and I'd like to get a guitar, maybe one that's specifically for the Japanese market only and not sold in Europe (where I live) though it doesn't have to be. I'm just wondering though... are guitars any cheaper there than in the West or is the difference negligible?
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I don't know about cheaper, but you'll definitely see guitars- both models and brands- you won't see in stores outside of Japan. Besides Ibanez and Fernandes, you'll see Killer, Fujigen, Ran, and- in some places- the knockoff brands like Tokai, Burny, etc.

It is at least worth a look.
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It's not worth it when you get into the well known brands like Ibanez or Fender.
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Quote by dannyalcatraz
Besides Ibanez and Fernandes, you'll see Killer, Fujigen, Ran, and- in some places- the knockoff brands like Tokai, Burny, etc.

It is at least worth a look.


Cool thanks for naming a few. Those killer and Ran guitars look pretty cool I would definitely look around if I was in Japan.

Besides what better keepsake to have than a guitar to remember your trip??
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Cool thanks for naming a few. Those killer and Ran guitars look pretty cool I would definitely look around if I was in Japan.

Besides what better keepsake to have than a guitar to remember your trip??

Isn't RAN polish?
I'd pick up a japanese ESP or Schecter. Those MIJ Schecters are yummie.
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Besides what better keepsake to have than a guitar to remember your trip??


I got a wife when I went there, who eventually bought me a guitar.
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Not quite sure how it works over there, but in the US it actually costs more money to import a (cheaper) guitar from Japan than it is to just by a model here. I would think that it would be the same in Europe, too.

Unless you have someone that can import them to you and give ya a break, or you want a model that is only available in Japan, then I would say go for it, but other than that it's almost always better to just go with a domestic version.
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It's not worth it when you get into the well known brands like Ibanez or Fender.

Unless you're into offset fenders, in which case it's the best place to get a mustang/jaguar/jazzmaster/bass vi that are vintage spec/built better than anything other than the custom shop.
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Not quite sure how it works over there, but in the US it actually costs more money to import a (cheaper) guitar from Japan than it is to just by a model here. I would think that it would be the same in Europe, too.


^This. At least here in the United States, you would have to list your new guitar - including the purchase price - on your Customs Declaration form. Then they would hit you with a steep import duty.

Then again, maybe your country has different rules regarding the importation of "luxury items" for personal use.
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Isn't RAN polish?




Yep- I was probably thinking of the classic Japanese film adaptation of King Lear.

Sorry about that!

Yamaha would be another obvious one.
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Those MIJ Schecters are yummie.


+1. Pricey, but excellent.
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Quote by FatalGear41
^This. At least here in the United States, you would have to list your new guitar - including the purchase price - on your Customs Declaration form. Then they would hit you with a steep import duty.

Then again, maybe your country has different rules regarding the importation of "luxury items" for personal use.


Or you can, you know, not list it.
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Or you can, you know, not list it.


That's where the "getting someone to import it for you" thing comes in
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just bear in mind the yen is pretty strong these days- it's not as good value as it was. I'm guessing the "only available in japan" stuff would be the stuff to be looking at, in other words.
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Much appreciated for all these posts. It does seem the market is not as much of a deal as I imagined. The ESP Edwards range seems pretty good, I may try get one of those.
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the duties and taxes on a ~$1000 guitar was $74.00 when i imported my Bacchus Korina V.

no duties on the Tokai Les Paul, it was about $950.

The strat was about $400, no duties or taxes.



have you ever seen a flamed alder strat? let alone for $400? its a 77 Aria Pro ii.



this old tokai tele was about $450, duties and taxes were $34.



just thought you should know the truth about duties and taxes.
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I don't think I've ever played anything in black walnut. It's a great ice cream flavor, so I assume it works well for a strat too.

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The slugs in the pickups for telecasters are from old winchester rifles, which is why they sound so country.
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Quote by Akula KO
Much appreciated for all these posts. It does seem the market is not as much of a deal as I imagined. The ESP Edwards range seems pretty good, I may try get one of those.

whoa...

http://www.digimart.net/guitar/inst_detail.do?instrument_id=DS02064911
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I don't think I've ever played anything in black walnut. It's a great ice cream flavor, so I assume it works well for a strat too.

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The slugs in the pickups for telecasters are from old winchester rifles, which is why they sound so country.
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Quote by gregs1020
the duties and taxes on a ~$1000 guitar was $74.00 when i imported my Bacchus Korina V.

no duties on the Tokai Les Paul, it was about $950.

The strat was about $400, no duties or taxes.



have you ever seen a flamed alder strat? let alone for $400? its a 77 Aria Pro ii.



this old tokai tele was about $450, duties and taxes were $34.



just thought you should know the truth about duties and taxes.


I agree, into the US it's actually really reasonable.

But he's going back to Switzerland (I'm assuming, that's what is on his profile) and that may not be the case?

Although according to this, it will be less than $100 for a $1000 guitar.

http://www.dutycalculator.com/new-import-duty-and-tax-calculation/saved_calculations/view_details/185594067/
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I agree, into the US it's actually really reasonable.

But he's going back to Switzerland (I'm assuming, that's what is on his profile) and that may not be the case?

Although according to this, it will be less than $100 for a $1000 guitar.

http://www.dutycalculator.com/new-import-duty-and-tax-calculation/saved_calculations/view_details/185594067/

that was my experience, less than 10%.

it just depends on your local country's import laws. i know from what our guy in Argentina (divin with the wife pic request up there ) said the duties could equal the actual cost of the instrument, so it's different everywhere. (still though, if you import it and pay the D&T, your retail market price locally is probably a lot higher).
Quote by Roc8995
I don't think I've ever played anything in black walnut. It's a great ice cream flavor, so I assume it works well for a strat too.

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The slugs in the pickups for telecasters are from old winchester rifles, which is why they sound so country.
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#23
Quote by gregs1020
that was my experience, less than 10%.

it just depends on your local country's import laws. i know from what our guy in Argentina (divin with the wife pic request up there ) said the duties could equal the actual cost of the instrument, so it's different everywhere. (still though, if you import it and pay the D&T, your retail market price locally is probably a lot higher).


yes. The duty calculator up there is not accurate for my country. It calculates a 20% import tax when the reality is 50% tax. So... check with people on a forum from your country. There must be a music forum .ch where they have imported guitars.
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i was in Japan last year, the prices are really bad when you factor in the dollar vs. yen and the trouble getting it home (don't buy into the "airline will store your guitar free" BS. THEY DON'T). so any guitar you buy will be 2x the price compared to cost in the US. I wanted to get a Fender Japan model and after doing the math really couldn't justify the cost.
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Did you look at the prices for local brands?
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i was in Japan last year, the prices are really bad when you factor in the dollar vs. yen and the trouble getting it home (don't buy into the "airline will store your guitar free" BS. THEY DON'T). so any guitar you buy will be 2x the price compared to cost in the US. I wanted to get a Fender Japan model and after doing the math really couldn't justify the cost.

that's just not true.

i've done it many times.

Quote by Roc8995
I don't think I've ever played anything in black walnut. It's a great ice cream flavor, so I assume it works well for a strat too.

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The slugs in the pickups for telecasters are from old winchester rifles, which is why they sound so country.
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Quote by gregs1020
that's just not true.

i've done it many times.


Same. Other than the older Ibby 7s (RG7620/7621/1077XL) that I scored locally, I shipped my MIJs from Japan and they were still cheaper than what they closed on eBay. Also, the Japanese are anal about packing/double boxing.
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Also, the Japanese are anal about packing/double boxing.


I am glad you typed that sentence carefully. Forget ONE word...
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I shipped my MIJs from Japan and they were still cheaper than what they closed on eBay. Also, the Japanese are anal about packing/double boxing.

i can never get all the packing back in the box once i have the guitar out.

it defies quantum physics.
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I don't think I've ever played anything in black walnut. It's a great ice cream flavor, so I assume it works well for a strat too.

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The slugs in the pickups for telecasters are from old winchester rifles, which is why they sound so country.
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UK duty is 23% of the value of the guitar and the postage cost,so $900 guitar and $100 postage will incur duty of $230.

Go Get a Bacchus, you will not be disappointed I have a Korina Explorer, they sell for around $700 in Japan, great instruments as good as Gibsons

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