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I have a Peavey 6505+ Combo Amp because I wanted to be just like those metal bands. That was three years ago, and my tastes are more into the blues. I don't really want to change amps but now I'm starting to get pedals. My question is, should i go out and spend $100 on a tubescreamer if i already get a solid amount of gain? What do you think?
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People don't use tubescreamers in front of metal amps to add gain. They add compression and cut bass, which amount to a much tighter, more defined sound.

Depending on what kind of blues tones you want, your amp may be fine. I haven't really tried on my 6505, but on the 5150 212 I used to have, I could dial in a really awesome dirty blues rock tone (Think "The Final Cut" by Coheed and Cambria).
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you need an amp that is made for blues, the 6505 is a good amp for metal, but not my first choice for the blues
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People don't use tubescreamers in front of metal amps to add gain. They add compression and cut bass, which amount to a much tighter, more defined sound.


to be fair, they do kinda use them to add gain as well. that's what cranking the level and setting the drive control low does.

it does the compression and bass cut thing too, of course.
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to be fair, they do kinda use them to add gain as well. that's what cranking the level and setting the drive control low does.

it does the compression and bass cut thing too, of course.


I know. I considered expanding my statement, but I guess I kind of lost my train of thought.

I mean, they do add gain, but... not in the sense that turning up the gain knob on your amp does. Turning your gain to max on your amp will not get you anywhere near the tight and defined sound that just running a tubescreamer in front with your amp's gain up halfway will.

It's not a matter of just adding gain or turning up the gain whatsoever. Introducing a tubescreamer to your chain makes it a whole different ballgame. Mine makes a colossal difference. On its own, my 6505 sounds weak and flabby (at house volumes). Nothing at all like what you think of when you think of a 6505. I turn on my M77 (or TS7 or SD-1), and bam, it's like magic, makes the amp sound 100x more like what they sound like in the recordings. It's the single most important pedal in my chain.
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I'd start by sorting out the amp so it's more like what you need. The simplest way to do that is to try lower gain tubes. you can stick just about anything into a 6505, even 12AU7's. Here's the gain factors of the commonly available tubes:
12AX7 - 100
5751 - 70
12AT7 - 60
12AY7 - 45
12AU7 - 19

Once you've made the amp more bluesey you can start to think about pedals to compliment it. You'll never turn it into a proper blues amp but you can get it closer with the right tubes.
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There are a lot more overdrives than Tube Screamers. I would check some of them out to get a more bluesy tone. Overdrives and distortion pedals aren't necessarily about more gain. They offer a completely different type of sound that you can't get with the amplifier alone. As stated above, people use Tube Screamers in metal all the time just to tighten up their sound rather than getting more gain. If they wanted more gain, they could just increase the gain on the amp. The overdrive gives the amp a different flavor. You wouldn't be using an overdrive like that for the blues but an overdrive could be very useful with the 6505 since it doesn't have the best clean and crunch tones.
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I would listen to Cathbard, he is extremely knowledgeable.

Don't know much it would be at higher volume,.

The good thing about tubes is that they are plug and play on a 6505 bias doesn't need adjusted.

So if you did pick up new tubes and didn't like the amp, just put the tubes back that were in there and save some tubes that may be useful.
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Try Cathbard's suggestion. I've actually recorded a blues tune through one of these and it didn't sound bad, maybe just a little too distorted. You can also roll off the volume and see if you like it, might want to also try lower output pickups but the voicing of that amp is a bit aggressive so results might vary.
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Quote by Offworld92
I know. I considered expanding my statement, but I guess I kind of lost my train of thought.

I mean, they do add gain, but... not in the sense that turning up the gain knob on your amp does. Turning your gain to max on your amp will not get you anywhere near the tight and defined sound that just running a tubescreamer in front with your amp's gain up halfway will.

It's not a matter of just adding gain or turning up the gain whatsoever. Introducing a tubescreamer to your chain makes it a whole different ballgame. Mine makes a colossal difference. On its own, my 6505 sounds weak and flabby (at house volumes). Nothing at all like what you think of when you think of a 6505. I turn on my M77 (or TS7 or SD-1), and bam, it's like magic, makes the amp sound 100x more like what they sound like in the recordings. It's the single most important pedal in my chain.


no worries I do that too

And yeah it's different from turning up your gain. As you said, it's a bit like using hotter pickups. I think it's because it lets you overdrive v1, whereas turning up the gain on the amp increases the distortion downfield a bit from that (one of the later preamp gain stages).

I think. cath or someone like that will be able to explain it better than i can.

and yeah low gain tubes like cath suggested may well be worth considering.
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