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#1
Recently, what with David Wankeron wanting to block the internet porn (and with time, censor the internet itself) and the NSA watching me masturbate, I kind of feel people should be a bit more aware of what's happening. Sure, anyone will tell you "Yeah, well, we're being watched", sure, but now we know, the cat is out of the bag and there's still a few things left in the bag.

I don't know about you guys, but when I look at Snowden and Assange I feel like they are the closest people related to the Ghandi's, the Che Guevara's of our generation.

However, I don't think the media, and more importantly, the people give two shits.

I was talking to my friend who I am doing my final year project with today. I consider this girl to be one of the more intelligent people in my course. I hadn't seen her for a month. I asked her "So by the way, what's your opinion on the whole Snowden situation?"

She replies "...who?"

She didn't know squat diddly shit about it. I explained it to her what happened, from the leakings to the Russian airport situation. I ended up with explaining the espionage done in Russia, China, India, Brazil and Germany - "Oh, well, looking at Germany's history with the war, it's no wonder they are being spied on." she said.

I was at a loss for words. Not only did she not understand the severity of it, the reaction was apathy. She quickly changed the subject as she noticed she was swimming on the topic.

I'm scared of talking about this to any other people and finding out they don't know what has been happening. Somehow they think it's important to know everything about the Kardashians or recalling all the drinks they had the weekend before, but issues about their freedom and rights? Oh, dear, no, let's not do that. Conversations about a man with the balls to face up against several countries? Pass. Britain turning into a Nanny State? Whatever, nothing to hide = nothing to fear.


TL;DR Whistleblowers blowing whistles and nobody giving a shit. Is it a problem?
#2
People do give a shit, but they realise that they're pretty powerless to do anything.
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#3
>Gandhi
>Che
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#4
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People do give a shit, but they realise that they're pretty powerless to do anything.


To be honest the people are never powerless so long as they take a stand. Which is where the 'civilized' world falls flat on it's face. They are all way too happy to give a shit if it detracts from their personal time. I can't help but admire the recent revolutions in the middle east. They may not have the right reasons or methods to bring about change, but they at least have the balls to do something.
#5
Really? Che?

Neither of them are murderous commies.


But...people don't care, as long as they have fast food, smart phones and cable.
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To be honest the people are never powerless so long as they take a stand. Which is where the 'civilized' world falls flat on it's face. They are all way too happy to give a shit if it detracts from their personal time. I can't help but admire the recent revolutions in the middle east. They may not have the right reasons or methods to bring about change, but they at least have the balls to do something.

+1

Let's face it, we've been smothered into sweets, candy, and technological improvements, and for our lack of attention are now paying the price.
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Quote by JackalUK
To be honest the people are never powerless so long as they take a stand. Which is where the 'civilized' world falls flat on it's face. They are all way too happy to give a shit if it detracts from their personal time. I can't help but admire the recent revolutions in the middle east. They may not have the right reasons or methods to bring about change, but they at least have the balls to do something.


I think people are disheartened by the fact that despite taking stands nothing gets done. Occupy Wall Street failed. The student protests here in the UK failed. The public sector protests failed.

Plus, the ineptitude of the government means it's hard to truly hate them. I mean take the recent proposals about censoring the internet. Yes it's a complete violation of the idea that the government can't tell people what to do and think, but it's much easier to just download a VPN or use a proxy/tunnel than bother with trying to change things. When Labour next get in they'll probably repeal anything that goes through anyway.
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I don't know about you guys, but when I look at Snowden and Assange I feel like they are the closest people related to the Ghandi's, the Che Guevara's of our generation.

I think comparing those guys to Gandhi is an insult to him.

Also, Che Guevara was insane and had a problem with outright cruelty (there's a damn reason Castro essentially got rid of the guy).


Anyway, I do think Snowden was doing the right thing; he just went through the wrong channels. Assange...yeah, no. I think he just felt like it'd piss off the US government and such.
#9
Sitting outside Wall Street was never going to do anything. It's too easy to ignore.
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Sitting outside Wall Street was never going to do anything. It's too easy to ignore.

Huh ? Oh, Occupy, yeah...

So easy to forget.
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Huh ? Oh, Occupy, yeah...

So easy to forget.

The problem was the Occupy people thought that everyone would rally behind them and get annoyed at the 1%. In reality, most people probably didn't feel like Occupy represented them. Of course, it didn't help any that Occupy couldn't even agree on what it stood for. Most people probably didn't jump straight into the Tea Partiers, but at least that movement was quite clear that they wanted smaller governments and lower taxes. Conversely, Occupy couldn't really agree on anything except that it was bad that the 1% held the majority of American wealth. It's hard for most people to get behind you if you don't offer any reasonable solutions to an issue.
#14
i don't really care a whole lot about things that happen outside my country, unless it's threat-of-nuclear-war important. i'm not planning on doing anything professionally that requires that knowledge, so i also don't feel guilty about it.
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#15
Most people who did the Occupy shit didn't even know why they were doing it.

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#16
I'm not doing anything illegal. Like I give a shit.
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#17
I care. But the media is shut up about this so unless you're at least a bit plugged in you're not gunna know about that stuff. I dunno what to do about it
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I think comparing those guys to Gandhi is an insult to him.

Also, Che Guevara was insane and had a problem with outright cruelty (there's a damn reason Castro essentially got rid of the guy).


Anyway, I do think Snowden was doing the right thing; he just went through the wrong channels. Assange...yeah, no. I think he just felt like it'd piss off the US government and such.


As an Indian and to an extent a Gandhian, I do believe what Snowden did was right. If somebody in my country exposed such a government plot, I would congratulate him. Gandhi stood for people's freedom, and advocated non-violent actions to achieve it. If transparancy of government schemes is not part of democracy i do not know what is. And he did so peacefully. He did not expose any data that would hurt any individual of the country. He did not reveal the data that was being collected. Nor did he hurt the government by revealing the methods used to collect data (yet.). The only crime is that he agreed on paper not to reveal details of the operation; i.e., he betrayed the organization that came up with this idea. But he was a patriot for revealing a plot that compromises the freedom of the people as a whole.

As for Assange, I am not sure if he did the right thing for his country (revealed a lot about american policies and tendencies), but it was fun reading how narrow-minded and stupid most of our politicians are. But one thing to be noted is that even his actions were non-violent and did not cause harm to any individual.
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Quote by Todd Hart
People do give a shit, but they realise that they're pretty powerless to do anything.


There is being "powerless to do anything" and then there is "not knowing squat diddly shit" of what's going on. I see a lot more coverage about Snowden on German media than British media.

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Yeah, I'm concerned that not a whole lot of people are really paying attention to the whole Snowden/Whistle-blower issue, but like it was mentioned before it doesn't interrupt anyone's activities. If it's not an inconvenience to being able to go out on Friday night, then most people won't care.

Edward Snowden's case is the biggest whistle-blower revelation to come out since the Nixon debacle. Assange/Wikileaks got some coverage, but I don't know. The first week or so I saw Snowden's face everywhere. He got much better publicity than even Bradley Manning did, and people rarely ever bring him up.
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Quote by JackalUK
To be honest the people are never powerless so long as they take a stand. Which is where the 'civilized' world falls flat on it's face. They are all way too happy to give a shit if it detracts from their personal time. I can't help but admire the recent revolutions in the middle east. They may not have the right reasons or methods to bring about change, but they at least have the balls to do something.


People who are safe, warm and well-fed don't revolt.

And even for all of our whining, that's the case for most of the folks in the 1st world nations...

I've not yet made up my mind about Snowden.
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I care. But the media is shut up about this so unless you're at least a bit plugged in you're not gunna know about that stuff. I dunno what to do about it

With all the various alternative media outlets, I don't know that we can blame the media.
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With all the various alternative media outlets, I don't know that we can blame the media.

Yeah. Some people just aren't aware of anything besides how much their latte costs and where they're getting hammered this weekend.
#24
Edward Snowden, he was the male lead in that one Jane Austen novel right?

Stop the presses guys! Some chick TS knows doesn't know about world events.
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#26
By the way, change.gov, which was Obama's campaign website, had a section about protecting whistleblowers because they are vital to the oversight of government. As of a couple hours ago, that section has mysteriously disappeared. Shortly after it disappeared and the story was reported the site went offline.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130726/01200123954/obama-promise-to-protect-whistleblowers-just-disappeared-changegov.shtml
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Yeah. Some people just aren't aware of anything besides how much their latte costs and where they're getting hammered this weekend.

Which is pretty damn sad, when you think about it...
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I'm not doing anything illegal. Like I give a shit.

Fuck you and everyone who thinks like you.
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Fuck you and everyone who thinks like you.


I find myself in complete agreement with you, a position I'm not often in!
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#31
People need to realize that not everybody cares about everything you care about. Not everybody needs to care about everything all of the time.

Also, Assange is a piece of shit and belongs in trash can.
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#32
may I ask what is Snowden... Honest God is hur... =) Is that Dj Splash and ur punkin him infront the future?
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Also, Assange is a piece of shit and belongs in trash can.


What leads you to that conclusion? (Not saying you're wrong, just curious.)
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
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#35
im okay.... readin makes my head hurt... I knew score before words... so it tuff.
#36
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im okay.... readin makes my head hurt... I knew score before words... so it tuff.

Wikipedia does allow you to read it in your nature language (most likely), if that makes it easier.
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Also, Assange is a piece of shit and belongs in trash can.


What makes you say that?
#38
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What leads you to that conclusion? (Not saying you're wrong, just curious.)


Don't really want to get into it here
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#39
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Don't really want to get into it here


Ok, just seems an odd thing to say if you didn't want to discuss it.
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