#1
All of you UK UGer's out there! The coalition government's plans for a 'Great Firewall' are beginning to take form. Please take a moment to sign this e-petition.

https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51929

Fight internet censorship! Defend your freedom of speech! Defend your freedom of access! The UK Government's plans for a 'Great Firewall' are draconian and mirror the oppressive actions of the People's Republic of China! We cannot let a Conservative government decide what is appropriate for its people to view!
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#3
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#4
I'll sign this because of the principle, but really, when have e-petitions ever accomplished anything?
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Yea because suppressing the people has worked so well for the UK in the past

isn't the UK that country historically noted for oppression and slavery
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#6
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isn't the UK that country historically noted for oppression and slavery


Actually it is, along with many other nations.
#7
Internet Censorship? Sounds legit!

Where do I sign to support this plan?
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Actually it is, along with many other nations.
predominanty the UK

the us too in similar measure
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#14
E-petitions: "I care somewhat about this topic, but not enough to go out and sign a real petition."
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#16
I didn't really think the UK would become a dystopia for human rights this quickly.
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isn't the UK that country historically noted for oppression and slavery


As much as any other country

And don't think I'm defending the UK's past, I'm an Irishman living in the UK and I come from an extremely Republican background. Its just that there were plenty of imperialist nations out there, Spain, France, Portugal and Russia to name a few. In fact the Spanish and Portugese were among the last Western nations to abolish slavery.
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#18
It won't go through anyway, if it does then human rights groups will all have a fit and neither the Tories or Lib Dems will ever see Number 10 again.
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#19
^ Here's hoping they won't anyway.
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#20
I thought the porn-blocker and more ability to prosecute pedos was a good thing personally. Don't get me wrong, I'm steadfast centre-left, but the internet isn't in some seperate field of existence from the real world, just like we take measures to protect children in the real world, we should be doing the same on the internet.

Some people feel that this is an issue that should be adressed by parents and not the government, however I disagree, no parent can watch their child 24/7, you've got to ****ing sleep eventually, and there's no amount of authority or skillful parenting that will stop children from being mischeivous or rebellious, it's part of their nature. With this in mind, and also recognising the fact that not even 50% of the population is computer-literate enough to set up something like a filter on their computer themselves, I think having a filter installed as default is a really good idea.

Just to make the point nice and clear: you can turn off the filter. The evil ConDems aren't trying to steal your pornos. As for the great firewall: a necessary evil, especially given the scope of cyber-warfare these days, a national firewall is the best way to protect UK citizens and businesses from attacks not just from individuals, but from government agencies like the NSA that exist in multiple nations including China and Russia.

I like the idea of the petition though, it acknowledges the importance of protecting children and isn't looking to throw the baby out with the bathwater like the petition posted by lemoninfluence. I've signed it because I believe that freeware and filesharing should be protected, and I think that the specifics of what the government is planning need to be adressed before plans go ahead.
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#21
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I thought the porn-blocker and more ability to prosecute pedos was a good thing personally. Don't get me wrong, I'm steadfast centre-left, but the internet isn't in some seperate field of existence from the real world, just like we take measures to protect children in the real world, we should be doing the same on the internet.

Some people feel that this is an issue that should be adressed by parents and not the government, however I disagree, no parent can watch their child 24/7, you've got to ****ing sleep eventually, and there's no amount of authority or skillful parenting that will stop children from being mischeivous or rebellious, it's part of their nature. With this in mind, and also recognising the fact that not even 50% of the population is computer-literate enough to set up something like a filter on their computer themselves, I think having a filter installed as default is a really good idea.

Just to make the point nice and clear: you can turn off the filter. The evil ConDems aren't trying to steal your pornos. As for the great firewall: a necessary evil, especially given the scope of cyber-warfare these days, a national firewall is the best way to protect UK citizens and businesses from attacks not just from individuals, but from government agencies like the NSA that exist in multiple nations including China and Russia.

I like the idea of the petition though, it acknowledges the importance of protecting children and isn't looking to throw the baby out with the bathwater like the petition posted by lemoninfluence. I've signed it because I believe that freeware and filesharing should be protected, and I think that the specifics of what the government is planning need to be adressed before plans go ahead.

The problem is though, that even if you don't care about pornography, it's still a terrible plan because of how they will implement it.

It has the potential to block lots of innocent things (and who's to say stuff won't be added to a block list if the Chinese company in charge of the filtering system don't like certain sites, for whatever political reasons), and the majority of filtering will probably done through recognising sites that link to banned sites as well, so there could be a case where a completely innocent site has adverts placed on its page by Google AdSense, for example, and somebody has managed to sneak an advert onto AdSense's systems (has happened before, I do believe, as documented in the news a while back if my memory is correct) that links to porn sites or phishing sites.

There's also the fact that 'adult content' could include gory movies or things with mature themes like drug abuse etc.

And will this filtering system even work against proxy sites, or will it have to ban them too? Because if people can easily find a way around the system then there is no point in it.

Oh, and there's also the possibility that more paedophiles may be less likely to act on their urges if they have access to pornography simulating it instead of nothing, and feeling desperate to create their own etc. - have enough psychological tests been done on convicted paedophiles to suggest the impact it will have on those with morally-objectible urges that are yet to actually act on them in a real-world manner?
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I thought the porn-blocker and more ability to prosecute pedos was a good thing personally. Don't get me wrong, I'm steadfast centre-left, but the internet isn't in some seperate field of existence from the real world, just like we take measures to protect children in the real world, we should be doing the same on the internet.


Yes, we should cut off access to art, literature, medical information (anatomy and so on), political news, drug education sites (real drug education that disagrees with the party line) and so on. All in the fear that some thirteen year old kid 'accidentally' stumbles onto some pictures of nude women.

Let's make it opt-out so we can make ignorance de facto.
#23
It's sad that you people even have to do this. Good luck
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#24
Petitions should be written by people with a stronger grasp of the English language.
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The problem is though, that even if you don't care about pornography, it's still a terrible plan because of how they will implement it.


Which is why I signed the petition. I like the intention, just not the execution.

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Yes, we should cut off access to art, literature, medical information (anatomy and so on), political news, drug education sites (real drug education that disagrees with the party line) and so on. All in the fear that some thirteen year old kid 'accidentally' stumbles onto some pictures of nude women.

Let's make it opt-out so we can make ignorance de facto.


Slippery slope arguement/reactionary bollocks.
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#26
I'm not signing it because I don't visit any British websites and am not British so this doesn't affect me at all.
#27
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I'm not signing it because I don't visit any British websites and am not British so this doesn't affect me at all.


And also couldn't because you need to be a British citizen to sign it :P

Bet you REALLY wanna sign it now, eh?
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#28
Quote by EqualOfHeaven

Slippery slope arguement/reactionary bollocks.

Nope. Do you even know the scope of the censorship? It's not just porn, it's anything that could be construed as adult. That means everything, at least everything the government perceives as adult-orientated.

There is no legal definition of pornography in the UK, you left-of-centre tea and biscuits tosser. There is only a definition of 'obscene' material, which is completely open to interpretation. "Material likely to corrupt" is all material, there is no legal limit to what constitutes what.

Given that, it's by definition not a slippery slope argument. Everything falls within the scope of this proposal, as everything is potentially 'adult'.

So if you want people researching Lady Chatterley's Lover or the Digestive system to have to appeal to their ISPs while appearing to be looking for smut, then I guess that's your right pal.

Now toddle off and search the ****ing internet for a clue, since you won't be able to in the near future, at least not without asking your ISP nicely.
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Quote by EqualOfHeaven
I thought the porn-blocker and more ability to prosecute pedos was a good thing personally. Don't get me wrong, I'm steadfast centre-left, but the internet isn't in some seperate field of existence from the real world, just like we take measures to protect children in the real world, we should be doing the same on the internet.

Some people feel that this is an issue that should be adressed by parents and not the government, however I disagree, no parent can watch their child 24/7, you've got to ****ing sleep eventually, and there's no amount of authority or skillful parenting that will stop children from being mischeivous or rebellious, it's part of their nature. With this in mind, and also recognising the fact that not even 50% of the population is computer-literate enough to set up something like a filter on their computer themselves, I think having a filter installed as default is a really good idea.

Just to make the point nice and clear: you can turn off the filter. The evil ConDems aren't trying to steal your pornos. As for the great firewall: a necessary evil, especially given the scope of cyber-warfare these days, a national firewall is the best way to protect UK citizens and businesses from attacks not just from individuals, but from government agencies like the NSA that exist in multiple nations including China and Russia.

You can turn off the filter, but given that it's at the ISP level you can't really be sure that it's really off. Once the filter is in place it's open to abuse by the ISPs that operate it, or even the same government agencies that you're saying it will protect against.

Already Google and Microsoft are subject to gagging orders to prevent them from openly admitting the extent to which they've been required to cooperate with the NSA, What's to stop ISPs being forced to do the same i.e. cooperate silently? Even if they admitted they were still filtering, what could you do? All ISPs are required by law to have a filtering system in place, so it's not like you can trust a competitor to act differently.

And even Cameron isn't playing this off as a firewall, it's not there to protect against malicious cyber attacks, it's there to put in place a form of filtering/censorship.

I like the idea of the petition though, it acknowledges the importance of protecting children and isn't looking to throw the baby out with the bathwater like the petition posted by lemoninfluence. I've signed it because I believe that freeware and filesharing should be protected, and I think that the specifics of what the government is planning need to be adressed before plans go ahead.

The petition is written that way to counter the bullshit "think of the children" hysteria that seems to be so popular whenever these topics are approached.

It's a matter of personal freedom and responsibility. Parents can't expect the world to bend to their every whim because they can't be arsed making basic parenting decisions. ISPs offer client side filters with pretty much all of their packages all you have to do is choose the option to have it installed. And so it's not like parents are left stranded without options, drowning in a sea of porn that they just can't stop their children from seeing.

Think of the implications this system has, you have to ask permission to have censorship lifted. And while that might be a mere formality now, what's to stop changes to the system down the line creating some draconian censorship system allowing only the material that the government of the day deems acceptable?

That was the argument used to shoot down any press regulation legislation, why doesn't it apply to personal freedoms?
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Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
#32
Despite the infringement on internet freedom, you'd have to admit it'd be funny if ISPs were 'gagged' from speaking on their censorship of porn.

#33
if you read the bill its about any adult orientated sites. basically anything that has adult humor or adult themes, so most comedic sites are out, as is this one. a lot of blogs will be outlawed as well
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#34
A few months ago, there was a petition i signed to get Iain Duncan Smith to live on £53 per week. That turned out well.

I just read about it again and actually raged a little bit.
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