#1
So, I have around $300 and I need an amp for practicing with my band (lead guitar/vocals, drummer, vocals), playing in small venues (music club, pub-size). I currently have a Fender Mustang I which I don't think is gonna cut it. Our music tends to drift to the sound of the Black Keys, San Cisco, and sorta punky Green Day stuff. I don't really care if it's a tube or solid state amp. I believe 75 watts will be sufficient?

I play with a Fender Strat and and a Les Paul J (not jr.)
#2
Any of these amps from the guitar center used section should do the job, just order one to your local store and pick it up, I personally think you'd probably be best off with the peavey Vypyr tube just because you sound like you need a fair amount of versatility on a low budget.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-PEAVEY-VYPYR-120W-2X12-TUBE-COMBO-109227933-i3312429.gc PEAVEY VYPYR TUBE
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-PEAVEY-CLASSIC-VTX-212-109261583-i3274848.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-JET-CITY-JCA24S-341-072713-109340119-i3297228.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-PEAVEY-JSX-MINI-COLOSSAL-AMP-108791515-i3033572.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-PEAVEY-TRANSTUBE-212-EFX-W-FTSA-ELEC-GTR-AMP-109045623-i3160900.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-PEAVEY-VK112-VALVE-KING-1X12-109088844-i3247082.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-LINE-6-FLEXTONE-III-GTR-COMBO-109346285-i3298325.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-BUGERA-V22-1X12-TUBE-COMBO-109333083-i3291958.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-MARSHALL-CLASS-5-AMP-109042407-i3214809.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-PEAVEY-CLASSIC-30-TWEED-COMBO-109357508-i3310142.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-JET-CITY-20-COMBO-109241655-i3308314.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-KUSTOM-V30-THE-DEFENDER-108003125-i2679231.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-LINE-6-SPIDER-VALVE-MKI-112-109181423-i3202198.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-BUGERA-V55-COMBO-AMP-109360805-i3312885.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-PEAVEY-ULTRA-112-109268081-i3282994.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-TRAYNOR-CUSTOM-VALVE-40-1X12-COMBO-108687541-i2990178.gc

Hope that's helpful
#3
Whereabouts are you located?
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#4
Thanks for all the suggestions. What do you guys think about the Fender Mustang III? It seems to suit all of my needs.

Quote by Offworld92
Whereabouts are you located?


Ohio, USA
#5
Quote by Guitarderp
Thanks for all the suggestions. What do you guys think about the Fender Mustang III? It seems to suit all of my needs.


Ohio, USA


If you're going to be gigging or even playing in a band situation it won't keep up, you really need to be looking at the tube combos and if you like the features of the modelling amps then as I said earlier the perfect amp for you would be the vypyr tube
#6
Quote by harrisonatsix
If you're going to be gigging or even playing in a band situation it won't keep up, you really need to be looking at the tube combos and if you like the features of the modelling amps then as I said earlier the perfect amp for you would be the vypyr tube


Not trying to argue or anything, but what do you mean by "it won't keep up"?
#7
Quote by Guitarderp
Not trying to argue or anything, but what do you mean by "it won't keep up"?

Lower quality solid state amps such as the mustang you are looking at don't tend to like high volumes and often sound very harsh and shrill anywhere above 3/4 volume. They also don't sit very well in a mix so even if you're loud enough your amp just won't cut through and will be drowned out by the other instruments.
#8
Spin 'round carousel when your horse isn't screwed in.

My band:
Fractured Instinct
(For fans of Death/Groove/Prog Metal)

Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
Last edited by Offworld92 at Aug 6, 2013,
#9
Quote by Offworld92
A Fender Mustang III would work, as would a Vox VT80+ if you're the only guitarist.

Do you usually play mic'd up, or no?


I am the only guitarist. We have a PA system but no mic for the amp.
#10
I'd recommend the Peavey classic 30.

You're going to need about 30 watts tube or so to be playing small clubs un-miced.

I used to gig small venues with my Kustom 36' coupe un-miced, and I'd have to push it pretty hard some shows to fill the room. Especially if there were a lot of people there.

Picking up a mic to mic the amps through your pa would help this a lot.
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#11
Quote by red.guitar
I'd recommend the Peavey classic 30.

You're going to need about 30 watts tube or so to be playing small clubs un-miced.

I used to gig small venues with my Kustom 36' coupe un-miced, and I'd have to push it pretty hard some shows to fill the room. Especially if there were a lot of people there.

Picking up a mic to mic the amps through your pa would help this a lot.


Well most places have their own PA system. I just don't play mic'd when we are using our own PA.
#12
I have a Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue that I love. It's 40 watts, tube, and great blues and rock tone. and capable of much more volume than I expected before I tried it out. From my experiences it should work very well for you.
#13
small venues? vintagey black keys or san cisco stuff? vox night train, engater tweaker 15, orange tiny terror + great OD are all in your price range.

all can get varying degrees of cleans, breakup, and grit/crunch easily and get better with ODs. 15 watts through a GOOD cab setup, perhaps a solid 2x12 will suffice un miced almost anywhere, especially with a PA.

dont tell me no. 95% of gigs i see are with mic'ed 15 watters, like blues juniors. even un miced especially in small gigs. people get so caught up in wattage its rediculous. overkill.

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if you go solid state? yeah 75 watts. most low end solid state amps dont cut like tubers do, you needs 3x wattage at least.

buddies band tried to compete a 25 watt tuber 1x12 to a 100 watt fender frontman 2x12. you could barely hear the frontman cranked. not even close to being the same at +75 watts more.

its not a rule, some solid states are great, like a roland jazz chorus. but thats like a 1000 amp!
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#14
Whether you are jamming in a broom closet or playing a stadium the thing you have to consider is the same - how loud is your drummer? That's who you have to match, end of story. If you are as loud as the drummer then you'll hear yourself (and the audience will too). If that's not loud enough then the drums will be miked up and so will you.
If anything, it's the small venues where you need the most volume because the drummer is physically closer to you on stage.
Get a Vyper Tube.


PS: ALWAYS mike up your amp, how else can the sound guy adjust you in the mix? I run a huge rig and always mike up, More often than not they have to turn up the drums to keep up with me but regardless, the sound guy has to be given some control over your FoH sound, even if he doesn't use it.

PPS: If you get a combo like a Vyper Tube, get it off the ground, the closer to head height the better. It makes a massive difference.
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Last edited by Cathbard at Aug 6, 2013,
#15
Quote by Cathbard

PS: ALWAYS mike up your amp, how else can the sound guy adjust you in the mix? I run a huge rig and always mike up, More often than not they have to turn up the drums to keep up with me but regardless, the sound guy has to be given some control over your FoH sound, even if he doesn't use it.



When did I say I wouldn't mic my amp for venues?

Regardless, I'll look into the vypyr and from what someone else said on another forum, the Vox AC15C1 would also do well. Thoughts on that?
#16
I don't think Cath was insinuating that you wouldn't, just giving sound advice.

OT: my vote goes to the tube vypyr, as well as the classic 30. The 30 is a great amp and is very affordable, seeing as your budget is $300 you might need to extend your budget slightly for the Vox, depending on your used market.
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#17
Quote by Guitarderp

Regardless, I'll look into the vypyr and from what someone else said on another forum, the Vox AC15C1 would also do well. Thoughts on that?


Do you play clean at all? I'm hesitant to even recommend the Classic 30 - I don't feel comfortable recommending a 15W amp for use with a drummer. You will probably be able to be heard, but I imagine that at that level of breakup, you won't have a whole lot of control over your amp.
Spin 'round carousel when your horse isn't screwed in.

My band:
Fractured Instinct
(For fans of Death/Groove/Prog Metal)

Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
Last edited by Offworld92 at Aug 6, 2013,
#18
Correct.

The AC15 is a fine amp. However, if you want good cleans you will have to run some of it through the wedges and FoH if you have a loud drummer. If you never use pristine cleans (or your drummer uses brushes) then it will work fine. I find that if I want good cleans I can't even run at 50W with my drummer. I tried it and ended up throwing the two other tubes back into it to make it 100W.
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#19
if you mic all the time thats even more reason to use a high quality yet small, portable setup.

one of the only career musicians i am personally friends with just spend about 4000 on a 100% hand wired 15 watt vox style design 1x12. and he plays shows of all sizes almost nightly. he could have bought anything. and this amp is literally his livelyhood.
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#20
The only reason I use a really big rig (100W 6x12) is because I use a lot of feedback. I am currently working on a 1x12 18W combo that I intend to use when I get too old to play pub rock and punk and settle into being a sit down bluesman (not that far off really )
If you don't need a wall of speakers for feedback reasons there isn't really a lot of need to have more than a miked up small combo - as long as you trust your sound guy. That's why you should employ your own sound guy. Not only does he know the material but you can trust him to do what you say. It still is preferable to have no guitar through the foldback if you can but if you aren't overdoing it, it isn't too bad.
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#21
Quote by Offworld92
Do you play clean at all? I'm hesitant to even recommend the Classic 30 - I don't feel comfortable recommending a 15W amp for use with a drummer. You will probably be able to be heard, but I imagine that at that level of breakup, you won't have a whole lot of control over your amp.


I do play clean, but the majority of the time I have some good distortion. From reviews I've read and such, the Vox is plenty loud for being heard over a drummer.
#22
It depends entirely on how loud your drummer is. If he really lays into them then it will not stay clean loud enough to get over him. You shouldn't need too much in the foldback to make up for it though.
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Marshall 18W clone
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Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


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#23
Quote by Cathbard
It depends entirely on how loud your drummer is. If he really lays into them then it will not stay clean loud enough to get over him. You shouldn't need too much in the foldback to make up for it though.


I won't really need to play clean very often at all. So would this amp be a good purchase if I could get it for $300-$400ish?
Last edited by Guitarderp at Aug 6, 2013,
#24
I live in Australia. Here that would be a sensational price but that isn't really helpful to you.
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#25
Quote by Cathbard
I live in Australia. Here that would be a sensational price but that isn't really helpful to you.


$350 USD roughly translates to $400 AUD. There's a couple listings on eBay for the AC15C1 around $350ish including shipping that end in a couple of days.
#26
There's more to it than simply the exchange rate. Amps are expensive here even with that taken into account.
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#27
Quote by Cathbard
There's more to it than simply the exchange rate. Amps are expensive here even with that taken into account.


Good point. It's like that with computer parts too.

OT, should I consider getting this amp?
#28
Yeah, sure. They're a good thing with the caveat that if you don't need pristine cleans loud enough to get over a loud drummer they are hard to beat.
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Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
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Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
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#29
Cool, I think I'll go with the AC15C1 then. Still open to any suggestions though.