Poll: Which head to go for
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View poll results: Which head to go for
Bugera 6262
7 15%
Laney iron heart
13 27%
Peavey 6505+/5150ii
23 48%
Blackstar series one 1006l6
5 10%
Voters: 48.
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#1
So i made a thread a little while ago asking what amp to buy since my HT 5 is on the way out...

Ended up doing some more research and finding a few more amps to choose from.

Amps in head form:
Bugera 6262
Laney Ironheart (probs the 60watt head)

Or bite the bullet and spend that bit extra and get either

Peavey 6505+/5150ii
Blackstar Series One 1006l6.

Kinda wanting the parkway drive sound, but i do mess around in other styles of music too (pretty much everything)

Head will be going into a 16ohm Zilla cab with V30's
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#2
6505+/5150 II or Ironheart. Bugera isn't worth considering at all with the others on the table.

Series Ones have a more vintagey sound to them, more of a British thickness. The Ironheart is more in the vein of the 6505, though it's not an exact copy. Ironhearts cleans are a little better, but I haven't heard enough for them to say which has better crunch.
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#3
If you like to mess around with other styles, I'd say the Iron Heart. It's just got a little more versatility over the 6505. Of course, if you just want the Parkway tone, get the 6505. It slays.
#4
Ironheart for versatility, 6262 for drive.

The price difference between the 6262 and the 6505+ doesn't really translate in a lot of sound difference.
I mean the 6505+ sounds better, but not even close to 2/3 times better.
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#5
Depending on how much money i can save up depends on the head im gonna get but i think im gonna go for the 6262 or the iron heart. Or both if i can find them both used for an amazing steal aha


plus the built in reverb is nice
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#6
Quote by Spambot_2
Ironheart for versatility, 6262 for drive.

The price difference between the 6262 and the 6505+ doesn't really translate in a lot of sound difference.
I mean the 6505+ sounds better, but not even close to 2/3 times better.


The sound difference was never the problem. They sound nearly identical.

Because Behringer is a shit company that copies schematics cap for cap.

But it's half the price somehow. Think about it.
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#7
You might be able to find a Laney VH100R for super cheap over there. Definitely consider it. I can nail that stuff with mine. I know I've been saying that on a couple of threads here lately. But it's a solid amp and they sell really cheap used.
#8
Bugera be pinching them pennies.

6505s are so saturated.
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#9
Nonsense that 6505 sounds 'better' than 6262, different for sure and I know that many prefer the 6262 over the 6505/5150. 5150 III different story, that thing is incredible.

I have a Bugera 333XL and it sounds amazing and is extremely versatile. It's crazy the amount of sounds you can get out of it, low gain bluesy tone to hard rock to 80s thrash just on the crunch channel. Lead channel goes from beyond that to extreme gain. Clean channel is CLEAN. I chose mine over a 6505+ 112 and 6262/6260 though I'm not into 'hardcore' music or anything with the word 'core' in it.
#10
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Nthough I'm not into 'hardcore' music or anything with the word 'core' in it.



Not even industrial-third-floor-story-apartment-with-en-suite-bathroom-core?

But on a serious note i have given the 333XL a look over and it is nice but im still debating the 6262/6505+ story.

ITs the price difference that bothers me the most, ive seen 6262 heads go for like £150 where as 6505's go for like £600...
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#11
The 333XL is a Peavey JSX clone, if you're interested.
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#13
Quote by Offworld92
The sound difference was never the problem. They sound nearly identical.

Because Behringer is a shit company that copies schematics cap for cap.

But it's half the price somehow. Think about it.


While I suspicion you're hinting at substandard components I think you underestimate the cost savings of a near-slave labor force...
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#14
Quote by Offworld92
The sound difference was never the problem. They sound nearly identical.

Because Behringer is a shit company that copies schematics cap for cap.


nah that's not the problem. the reliability is.

I mean I'm not gonna tell someone that they have to pay twice as much because peavey came up with the design- that's their call, not mine. i might tell them they have to because the bugera might set their house on fire.
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#15
I used to have a Bugera 333XL and it was a beast. Bit flubby on the low end but tighter with an OD pedal. It didn't break on me nor set my house on fire haha. The footswitch broke though haha.

Out of those amps, I'd say go for the ironheart. Price is bang in the middle so easily affordable, reliable and sounds killer. It's versatile too which is an pro against the 6505+. Don't forget the 'evil' looking red LEDs

However, if its PURELY for Parkway Drive, go for the 6505.
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#16
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nah that's not the problem. the reliability is.

I mean I'm not gonna tell someone that they have to pay twice as much because peavey came up with the design- that's their call, not mine. i might tell them they have to because the bugera might set their house on fire.


We've all had this argument before. That's just where I stand on the issue. I think copying a schematic and not altering anything about it is a shit move. Apparently a lot of people disagree.

I mean, they didn't even alter the aesthetics or controls for Christ's sake.
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#17
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We've all had this argument before. That's just where I stand on the issue. I think copying a schematic and not altering anything about it is a shit move. Apparently a lot of people disagree.

I mean, they didn't even alter the aesthetics or controls for Christ's sake.

If only it were that easy to make a copy of a Lamborghini Aventador, same aesthetics, feel, layout, etc.
#18
with these type of threads involving bugera and peavey, its not a difference of tone, Its build quality.

It seems that people get caught up i that.

Quality and reliability matters to me, so i would go peavey. That is just me.

Now can get back to bickering.
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#19
Quote by Offworld92
We've all had this argument before. That's just where I stand on the issue. I think copying a schematic and not altering anything about it is a shit move. Apparently a lot of people disagree.

I mean, they didn't even alter the aesthetics or controls for Christ's sake.


in an ideal world i'd agree, but it's not an ideal world. I mean the big guys got their start by copying readily existing circuits.

Also if you ask me, being straight up about what you're copying is less dodgy than pretending you've reinvented the wheel only for people to find later it's a clone (or slightly tweaked clone).
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#20
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We've all had this argument before. That's just where I stand on the issue. I think copying a schematic and not altering anything about it is a shit move. Apparently a lot of people disagree.

I mean, they didn't even alter the aesthetics or controls for Christ's sake.


I know what you mean but weren't Fender and Marshall initially lifted whole cloth from the RCA tube manual?
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#21
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I know what you mean but weren't Fender and Marshall initially lifted whole cloth from the RCA tube manual?


To quote the Radiotron Designer's Handbook, 4th ed.:

" This book has been written as a comprehensive, self-explanatory reference handbook for the benefit of all who have an interest in the design and application of radio receivers or audio amplifiers. "

I would hardly call use of example designs from a book written expressly for the dissemination of such information to be on the same level as the theft of existing patented and copyrighted designs for the sole purpose of making cheap copies. Not to mention that RCA had a vested interest in fostering new thinking and designs using their products.
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#22
are they patented? I know when it comes to effects the odds of patenting a circuit are more or less zero (at least, assuming you're talking about more basic effects like overdrive etc.), and I'm guessing the same is true for amps as well. Furthermore, patents only last so long, and I'm guessing the 5150 would be out of patent even if it were patented.

if they ripped the pcb layout, that's different, as that can be copyrighted/patented.
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#23
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are they patented? I know when it comes to effects the odds of patenting a circuit are more or less zero (at least, assuming you're talking about more basic effects like overdrive etc.), and I'm guessing the same is true for amps as well. Furthermore, patents only last so long, and I'm guessing the 5150 would be out of patent even if it were patented.

if they ripped the pcb layout, that's different, as that can be copyrighted/patented.


Not the entire design, per se, but certain technologies used within the amplifier (such as Peavey's harmonic distortion control) can be patented, and the PCB layout, control layout, and other IP can be copyrighted and trademarked. Anybody that's familiar with their products knows that some of them... well, most of them are blatant ripoffs of other designs. The question is, how carefully did they cross their T's and dot their i's when they built those products, so as to skirt ( however narrowly) the legal ramifications of violating patents, copyrights, and trademarks.
#24
hopefully more carefully than they skirted the legal ramifications of the fire code
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#25
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hopefully more carefully than they skirted the legal ramifications of the fire code


#26
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The question is, how carefully did they cross their T's and dot their i's when they built those products, so as to skirt ( however narrowly) the legal ramifications of violating patents, copyrights, and trademarks.


I don't think that's a question at all, given that they are still selling them.
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#27
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I don't think that's a question at all, given that they are still selling them.



Very true. Of course, with all the money they save on R&D, I'm sure they can afford one hell of a litigation team. I wouldn't doubt that that's their second largest department, right behind marketing .
#28
The 6262 is worth a look, got the combo version and sounds awesome with my RGT42 with EMG 81 and hasn't skipped a beat. I wouldn't let the reliability issues put you off, if it does i'd choose the lion heart.
#29
Quote by Offworld92
The sound difference was never the problem. They sound nearly identical.

Because Behringer is a shit company that copies schematics cap for cap.

But it's half the price somehow. Think about it.

I gotta be that guy

Peavey ripped the 5150 off from the Soldano SLO, so................. and they are almost identical aesthetically

Bugeras are cheap with poor QC that is why I don't recommend them. They do sound good while they work. My 333 sounds better than any XXX/3120 I have ever tried, it is just made like crap
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#30
Quote by 4FunandProphet
Very true. Of course, with all the money they save on R&D, I'm sure they can afford one hell of a litigation team. I wouldn't doubt that that's their second largest department, right behind marketing .


i'm guessing their fire fighter department is the biggest

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I wouldn't let the reliability issues put you off


why not?
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#31
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The 6262 is worth a look, got the combo version and sounds awesome with my RGT42 with EMG 81 and hasn't skipped a beat. I wouldn't let the reliability issues put you off, if it does i'd choose the lion heart.


How can we not worry about reliability? Ever had your head go dead on stage ? It has never happened to me and hopefully never will.

poor quality and, substandard gear make things become problems
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#32
I've been researching amps lately and thought the Bugera's sound great and I was going to get one. But now I'm starting to lean more on getting the Laney Ironheart 120w head and match it with a Blackstar Cab... Any recommendations on different cabinets or do you guys think the Blackstar will match up nice?
#33
Just gonna weigh in here.

Get a 6505+/5150 II... used. I don't know the used market in the UK very well but here in the US you can get them on craigslist all day for $600-750. They don't hold their value super well. As for reliability, don't worry about it. I've heard of these amps falling out of the back of trucks on the highway and working after the (obviously shattered) tubes were replaced. They're pretty much indestructible!
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#34
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I've been researching amps lately and thought the Bugera's sound great and I was going to get one. But now I'm starting to lean more on getting the Laney Ironheart 120w head and match it with a Blackstar Cab... Any recommendations on different cabinets or do you guys think the Blackstar will match up nice?


what country do you live in? that massively affects prices and availability.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#35
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what country do you live in? that massively affects prices and availability.


I'm in USA.
#37
^ wut. it's a box with speakers in it.

^^ I hear good things about avatar, whitebox and lopoline on the cheap(ish) but I haven't tried them (I'm not in the USA).
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#38
You can get used Mesa recto 4x12 for $400ish at www.guitarcenter.com/usedgear
You can also find 5150/6505's for $600 or less there
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#39
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Peavey ripped the 5150 off from the Soldano SLO, so................. and they are almost identical aesthetically


I agree that the 5150 is very reminiscent of the SLO, it was obviously an influence. But put a 5150 and a SLO next to each other, it's also obvious that they are different amps.

In a blind test, you can't really tell a 6260 apart from a 5150 sonically. Not the same thing IMO.
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#40
I say 6262. I've got one and have had absolutely no issues with it. For the money, it's worth it (in my opinion) and should be seriously considered. Mind you, mine doesn't move much, as I don't really gig with it, but it is played quite often (and not just at bedroom levels), and I also record with it. Wish I could gig with it, but I need a band first
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