#1
After a couple years of playing, I am finally moving up from my Fender Mustang I practice amp. I want a tube amp to practice on, jam with others, and play small-venue gigs.

My budget is roughly $500. My favourite types of music to play range from really heavy, like doom metal (Electric Wizard) and hardcore punk, to classic country to post-rock/emo (Slint) to dirty garage rock (Stooges). I understand that one amp may not hit all of these genres with consistent quality so I understand I may have to settle on something that isn't perfect for the real heavy stuff.

What would you guys recommend? I do not have a vast knowledge on amps so I appreciate any input.

I may have the opportunity to grab a VOX AC15C1 for a good deal. I've only read good things about that amp so far. Thoughts?

Thanks.
#2
The AC15 on its own won't have the gain you require on tap for the heavier stuff you mention, although a decent pedal will get you there.
Have you considered the Orange TH30?
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#3
I would love one, but I believe those are like $1200 new. My budget is roughly $500.
#4
I'm afraid you are asking a lot for US$500.00. Your best bet is going to be a used amp; probably a combo since you might score a fine amplifier head for $500.00, but then you would need a cabinet to go with it. New; well, Jet City has a couple of 1x12" combos in the $600.00 range that you might want to look at.
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#5
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#6
Quote by FatalGear41
I'm afraid you are asking a lot for US$500.00. Your best bet is going to be a used amp; probably a combo since you might score a fine amplifier head for $500.00, but then you would need a cabinet to go with it. New; well, Jet City has a couple of 1x12" combos in the $600.00 range that you might want to look at.


I'm afraid you're right. I was planning on buying a used combo amp, though. I'm not familiar with Jet City, but I'll look into it - thanks. What do you think of the Vox AC15C1? I may be able to grab one in new condition for $500.


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I'll look into it, although I'm not crazy about modeling amps with tons of presets.


For reference, this is basically what I'm aiming for: (clear, pretty cleans + heavy, thick distortions)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MhJDC5zXtA
#7
I think the AC15 will do you right with a fuzz pedal for the doom shit tbh but everything else I think you'd be happy with what's on tap for the amp. Go try it out for yourself.
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#9
I would not get a AC15 for what you want at all. Unless you want cleans and classic rock style gain from the amp and use pedals for everything else

Look for a Marshall DSL401 for a combo.

You might also want to look at the Krank 1980jr and a 1x12 cab. They are great amps and can do pretty much every thing you play. I bought one a while back and I play very similar types of music (minus the country) the heads run $300-$375 each and there area few krank 1x12 cabs for $99 look here www.guitarcenter.com/usedgear
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2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
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Last edited by Robbgnarly at Aug 14, 2013,
#10
I wouldn't get a Vox AC15 either.

The DSL is a good rec. No experience with the Krank but I trust Robb.

Valveking is decent with some upgrades. The OD channel on that amp is based on the Marshall tone stack however.

You might be pretty surprised and happy with a Peavey Vypyr tube 60 as mentioned. I love mine

And yeah, you will get more bang for your buck going used.
#11
You guys are definitely right. I went back to the store and tried it out with some of my favourite fuzz & distortion pedals and couldn't reach that doom tone at all. Bummer, because otherwise the AC15 rules.

Have either of you owned the DSL401? I like everything I've read about it so far - except for its reported tendency to overheat. Do you know anything about this?

The Krank stuff looks cool, too. Too many good options, haha. I can't find too much info. or any of those heads or cabs for sale though.
#12
I have used the DSL401, and they are nice amps. My brother-n-law has one (I have the DSL100 head) and it is a very nice sounding amp, has good cleans, nice crunch and can do more modern styles like Punk just fine.

I also own a 1980Jr and for the price they sell for used they are great values. They have a really nice clean channel their dirty channel can do classic rock to punk to doom just fine.

I play in a hardcore/punk band and I also play in a prog-metal band (with some doom elements) and both my DSL100 and my 1980jr work absolutely fine.

www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-KRANK-NINETEEN-EIGHTY-JR-109056587-i3183932.gc
www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stoe-Used-USED-KRANK-112-071113-109240005-i3259394.gc
They also have a DSL401 for $499
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Last edited by Robbgnarly at Aug 15, 2013,
#13
Quote by Robbgnarly
I have used the DSL401, and they are nice amps. My brother-n-law has one (I have the DSL100 head) and it is a very nice sounding amp, has good cleans, nice crunch and can do more modern styles like Punk just fine.

I also own a 1980Jr and for the price they sell for used they are great values. They have a really nice clean channel their dirty channel can do classic rock to punk to doom just fine.

I play in a hardcore/punk band and I also play in a prog-metal band (with some doom elements) and both my DSL100 and my 1980jr work absolutely fine.

www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-KRANK-NINETEEN-EIGHTY-JR-109056587-i3183932.gc
www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stoe-Used-USED-KRANK-112-071113-109240005-i3259394.gc
They also have a DSL401 for $499


Awesome. I see they also just put up a DSL401 for $399. I like both very much. They seem to hang around the same price range, too. You said the 1980Jr can get doom real well, but can the Marshall? Mind you, I will not fret to use pedals. I'd love to get a Boss FZ-2, as used in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37xKzcjGXHw

Can the Marshall achieve those tones?
And overall, do you like the Krank or the Marshall more?

I appreciate it.
#14
Well my DSL 100 sounds a little different than my 1980Jr. I would say the DSL 100 has a "bigger" low-end than the 1980 Jr, but you are comparing a 25 watt amp to my 100 watt.

The 1980 is very similar to a Splawn quick rod (it will be easier to find demos on line) and is basically a hot rod Marshall tone.

I think either amp would work well for you, you just have more options with the Krank, as far as cabinets go. I push a 4x12 Krank rev cab with my 1980 mostly, but I use a 2x12 with it some times and I am building a 1x12 cab right now.

I like my DSL100 better for live use, but I honestly would not hesitate to use the Krank live at all. And the Krank is easier to transport
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2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Last edited by Robbgnarly at Aug 15, 2013,
#15
I'm assuming both the DSL401 and the 1980Jr + Krank 1x12 cab are loud enough for most gigs in medium-sized venues - correct?

Weird question: What would fare better - if at all- with an acoustic guitar? I'm guessing the Marshall...?
#16
I've been told Blackstar has one of the best combo tube amps for about 600 NEW. I'm not sure which model or anything though. Wouldn't be a bad idea to check that out. Versatile from what I understand.

You could always get a pedal

I suggest you go to every music store possible, find a few amps you like, find them used, and buy one.

Guitar center usually have some pretty cheap deals on used amps and they have the warranty too. Don't need it but it could come in handy
Last edited by dsomma93 at Aug 15, 2013,
#17
Quote by itscameron
I'm assuming both the DSL401 and the 1980Jr + Krank 1x12 cab are loud enough for most gigs in medium-sized venues - correct?

Weird question: What would fare better - if at all- with an acoustic guitar? I'm guessing the Marshall...?

Yes both are enough to gig with.

Both have good cleans so it really would be up to you to choose which would be "better"

^low end blackstars are not very good amps. The HT is what you must be referring to (it is their <$1000 range) and I would not buy one at all. I thought the ones I have played were very meh sounding.

I do think the 1980 jr will produce a better lowend than the DSL401 (not the DSL50/100 which has big bottle power tubes), surely because the 1980 uses 6l6 tubes and the 401 uses EL84 (bigger glass helps with the low-end)

The 1980Jr will keep up with a full drum kit, ampeg 8x10 and a Mesa dual recto 1/2 stack when using my 4x12 cab.
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Last edited by Robbgnarly at Aug 15, 2013,
#18
for 500$, Blackstar HT club 40
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Fernandes FR-65

Morley pro series pedal
BBE two time Delay
Empress Nebulus
Subdecay Quantum Quasar
Solid Gold FX Nitro

Blackstar HT stage 100
Marshal 1922 2x12 (V-30, Greenback)
#19
Quote by Robbgnarly


^low end blackstars are not very good amps. The HT is what you must be referring to (it is their <$1000 range) and I would not buy one at all. I thought the ones I have played were very meh sounding.



Really? Most of the demos I've heard have had it sounding awesome. I can't wait to try it out at Guitar Center next week.

I like what I've heard about the DSL401 and the Krank stuff, but, man, the HT Club 40 might be the most intriguing to me. The problem - especially with the Krank - is that it will be very hard to find and try out anywhere before buying.
#20
Certainly try the HT series, but don't be surprised when you are underwhelmed by it though.

Most of those demos are using studio tricks to make them sound that good.
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate