Mother writes another mother anonymous letter, telling here to get rid of autistic...

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#2
I saw this on Facebook earlier. Are you asking if the woman who wrote a letter basically telling somebody to kill her handicapped kid is in the right?
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I saw this on the news earlier. That's just sick...I can't really believe the one who wrote that is a mother herself. I think she's totally in the wrong.
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[didn't read article/letter]

That's completely wrong. Autistic people aint all that bad and euthanasia isn't something to be considered lightly at all, only in the direst of circumstances.
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I saw this on Facebook earlier. Are you asking if the woman who wrote a letter basically telling somebody to kill her handicapped kid is in the right?

Im just trying to start a discussion, although it is pretty obvious that everyone is on the same side here.
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[didn't read article/letter]

That's completely wrong. Autistic people aint all that bad and euthanasia isn't something to be considered lightly at all, only in the direst of circumstances.

I agree. Children in the Orient are a very heavy topic that should never be taken lightly.
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The irony is that the mother sounds the most autistic.

Like, more autistic than some of members of UG, if that were possible.

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#10
Wow, pretty awful stuff to write to someone. If they find out who wrote it they're gonna be in for a hell of a welcome party by the rest of the neighbourhood.
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#11
The fact that someone who'd write something this vile and poorly written is going to criticize the mental state and ability to function in society of another person is absurd.
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#12
Saw this earlier. Pretty indefensible stuff. the fact that it happened in Canada subverts the ol' national stereotype just a little.
#13
Saw this earlier today on the news. Author needs a good swift kick in the cunt.
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#14
First half or so was defensible, although the tone throughout wasn't. When she started talking about euthanasia, I somewhat wished she was subject to the involuntary kind.
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I agree. Children in the Orient are a very heavy topic that should never be taken lightly.

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#15
I read the letter and it's absolutely disgusting. If she doesn't like it she should move, not tell another mother to put her child to death. This woman has no heart and I feel bad for her kids. God forbid if any of them had a mental handicap.
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Mother Karley Begley spoke with CityNews and broke down in tears as she tried to read the letter.


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#17
I think she's either got to be a teenager who got knocked up, or a severely uneducated woman, judging by the over-use of exclamation points and question marks.

but yeah, that letter is ridiculous. absolutely disgusting.
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First half or so was defensible, although the tone throughout wasn't. When she started talking about euthanasia, I somewhat wished she was subject to the involuntary kind.

wat this means??

euthanasia sounds like youth in asia
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euthanasia sounds like youth in asia

There's an entire Sacha Baron-Cohen interview structured around that.

O I see now. I feel so dumb for not getting it, cheers.
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Im just trying to start a discussion, although it is pretty obvious that everyone is on the same side here.

Were you expecting people to support someone writing abuse about a child with autism? Do you think anyone with any inkling of decorum would do that?

I really don't understand why this person cares about what some anonymous, grammatically-challenged neighbor thinks or why it's news worthy that people hold those kind of opinions. Maybe to open opportunities like this for people to suddenly have bleeding hearts for a community they have little knowledge of or experience with?
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#22
Fuqkin disgusting pig dog bitch. How the fuqk could you write that?!?!? AND actually deliver it? I don't give two half fuqs what the grandmother is or isn't doing; this letter is the height of despicable.

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#23

I really don't understand why this person cares about what some anonymous, grammatically-challenged neighbor thinks or why it's news worthy that people hold those kind of opinions. Maybe to open opportunities like this for people to suddenly have bleeding hearts for a community they have little knowledge of or experience with?

Yes, because there's nothing creepy or threatening about receiving anonymous letters full of vile invective.

You're probably right to suspect cynicism in the motives of the news organisation/s, but it's quite easy to imagine that good can come of their decision to make it news.

If anything, at least the family will receive emotional support from others in the community they share, and perhaps correspondence with others who have experienced the same thing.
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First half or so was defensible, although the tone throughout wasn't. When she started talking about euthanasia, I somewhat wished she was subject to the involuntary kind.

wat this means??

So you're ok with this?
I also live in this neighbourhood and have a problem!!!! You have a kid that is mentally handicapped and you consciously decided that it would be a good idea to live in a close proximity neighgbourhood like this???? You selfishly put your kid outside everyday and let him be a nothing but a nuisance and a problem to everyone else with that noise polluting whaling he constantly makes!!! That noise he makes when he is outside is DREADFUL!!!!!!!!!! It scares the hell out of my normal children!!!!!!!!!
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So you're ok with this?

Well, when you tone it down it comes down to a noise issue. If he is disturbing others in the neighborhood, it is his parents responsibility to mitigate that issue.

Obviously it's not really the kid's fault, and we should expect a baseline level of tolerance for others, but if it was causing severe distress to other children, then maybe he should have been taken to the park or something.
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Well, when you tone it down it comes down to a noise issue. If he is disturbing others in the neighborhood, it is his parents responsibility to mitigate that issue.

Obviously it's not really the kid's fault, and we should expect a baseline level of tolerance for others, but if it was causing severe distress to other children, then maybe he should have been taken to the park or something.

If this persons children are distressed it's because they inherited their mothers mental capacity.
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Well, when you tone it down it comes down to a noise issue. If he is disturbing others in the neighborhood, it is his parents responsibility to mitigate that issue.

Obviously it's not really the kid's fault, and we should expect a baseline level of tolerance for others, but if it was causing severe distress to other children, then maybe he should have been taken to the park or something.

Why shouldn't he be allowed to play in his front yard like every other kid?
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#28
Yes it's terrible and disgusting and all that, but why is this news? Why are we calling the cops and giving this so much attention? Terrible things happen every day; I don't think this is even a crime? Please don't misunderstand, I feel this is terribly awful but I don't get why it deserves news articles and police investigations.

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Why shouldn't he be allowed to play in his front yard like every other kid?

He should be allowed to. I'm saying if indeed he was causing distress to other children, then maybe his parents have a responsibility to mitigate that distress caused.

As it happens, we have no way of knowing what he was doing, so we can't say that he was causing distress. I'm just saying that the parents would have a responsibility to make sure he was interacting in a way that was not distressing to other children, intervening where necessary.
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Yes, because there's nothing creepy or threatening about receiving anonymous letters full of vile invective.

It's not like the person put a burning puzzle piece in her front yard.

You're probably right to suspect cynicism in the motives of the news organisation/s, but it's quite easy to imagine that good can come of their decision to make it news.

It's quite easy to imagine anyone who read that article forgetting it within a day or two after having momentarily worked themselves into a frenzy.

If anything, at least the family will receive emotional support from others in the community they share, and perhaps correspondence with others who have experienced the same thing.

That would depend on the people in their community reading the paper (if there is even an article in the local paper) and actually caring enough to approach the woman with a screaming child in her yard.
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Why shouldn't he be allowed to play in his front yard like every other kid?

Because he's a ******. Duh. And makes funny noises. And distresses "normal" children.
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He should be allowed to. I'm saying if indeed he was causing distress to other children, then maybe his parents have a responsibility to mitigate that distress caused.

As it happens, we have no way of knowing what he was doing, so we can't say that he was causing distress. I'm just saying that the parents would have a responsibility to make sure he was interacting in a way that was not distressing to other children, intervening where necessary.
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Because he's a ******. Duh. And makes funny noises. And distresses "normal" children.
God sometimes you're dense.

When I was around 9 or 10, my brother (two years younger than me) was expelled for behavioural problems that were later attributed to an autism spectrum disorder. He kicked people to greet them and so on, had an inexplicable urge to climb lamp-posts, and would swear a fair deal.

Now, I'm sure that he had problems controlling his behaviour and it would take a shitty person to hold it against him, but obviously his behaviour had impact on other children and teachers, and the provision of education, amoung other things.
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Sheltering kids from somebody different isn't good for them.

This is mostly true, depending on the specific instances we're talking about.

Then again, there's a difference between not wanting kids to see someone because they're different, and not wanting your kids to see someone because that difference is causing problems without the involvement of one's personal judgments.

As I've said, it's good judgment applied to individual cases that is the tool of choice here, not blanket statements.
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This is mostly true, depending on the specific instances we're talking about.

Then again, there's a difference between not wanting kids to see someone because they're different, and not wanting your kids to see someone because that difference is causing problems without the involvement of one's personal judgments.

As I've said, it's good judgment applied to individual cases that is the tool of choice here, not blanket statements.
If only we had some insight into this particular case.

Oh wait we do. She said they should keep him inside because of the noise he makes.
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This is mostly true, depending on the specific instances we're talking about.

Then again, there's a difference between not wanting kids to see someone because they're different, and not wanting your kids to see someone because that difference is causing problems without the involvement of one's personal judgments.

As I've said, it's good judgment applied to individual cases that is the tool of choice here, not blanket statements.

It's not pretending you are making an anonymous post on the internet. That letter is an attack on that family from a gutless Facebook whore.
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If only we had some insight into this particular case.

Oh wait we do. She said they should keep him inside because of the noise he makes.

That insight is limited. He might be yelling in their faces or acting aggressively.

Her children's distress, if real, should be taken into account. I mean he's hardly going to benefit from an environment where he's feared or whatever, and a park seems a better solution.

This is probably a waste of time, seeing as we're using a hate filled letter as a source of information. It's probable that it isn't all that reliable.
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When I was around 9 or 10, my brother (two years younger than me) was expelled for behavioural problems that were later attributed to an autism spectrum disorder. He kicked people to greet them and so on, had an inexplicable urge to climb lamp-posts, and would swear a fair deal.

Now, I'm sure that he had problems controlling his behaviour and it would take a shitty person to hold it against him, but obviously his behaviour had impact on other children and teachers, and the provision of education, amoung other things.

But it's not like you have personal experience or any insight on this matter, right?
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