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After Miley Cyrus's VMA performance, people started debating about her behavior.

One on side (mostly parents I suppose) were outraged that the former Disney star is setting a bad example for younger kids watching her, specifically young girls, who can be extremely impressionable. Since she is in the public eye, she has some, if not a lot, of impact to viewers.

There is another side commenting on her image, music and performance's cultural impact on the norms that it draws from. See this article from the Guardian

While there are also many who think Miley Cyrus should be left alone to do her own thing and she should be allowed to act how she wants because she is 1) an adult, 2) not responsible for anyone else's child 3)she is an entertainer.

What do you guys think?

When it comes to situations like this, I always wonder where the parents are. It is not Miley Cyrus' job to teach kids values and to complain that she is being a bad role model is a sign of lazy parenting, imo. The parent's or adults in the family, ideally, are the primary role models and to rely on some girl who has absolutely no stake in your child's life is just silly.
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Depends on the people.

Miles Cyrus certainly should, considering her role as Hannah Montana.
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Depends on the people.

Miles Cyrus certainly should, considering her role as Hannah Montana.

You mean she should be expected as a role model? (just clarifying) Because I see that happening with Taylor Swift who started out as a good girl. Still a good girl but now she is a grown woman singing about teenage troubles. Not saying that entertainers can't mature without becoming skanky, but is it okay to say how they can or cannot manage their image?

Besides, her target demographic as Hannah Montana are all grown up too. Probably doing the same thing she's doing without her help.

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No. But her whole act has been done before. The "Look-im-not-a-little-girl-anymore" act. She can twerk her ass all she wants. She's flat and has no curves.

Yeah. I found out last night that her manager now was Britney Spears' former manager. No wonder the similarity.
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It was a publicity stunt that worked.
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#9
I believe in the last 10 years pop music has been flooded with female artists trying to "outsex" the other female artists.

Be it Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga, Perry, now Cyrus.

I remember being 12 and watching Aguilera shaking her ass in her video like she had ass fleas or something. And Beyonce as well. Shakira too. Damn she had a nice ass.

Anyway, sex has always been sold to the masses since Presley. It's not much different to Bieber now.

The problem is, that some parents are shitty parents and won't be teaching their kids any morals.

Next thing you know all these girls will be giving handjobs AND twerking at the same time beyond the school gym. Expect teenage birth rates to spike.

I blame ******music.
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the former Disney star is setting a bad example


It's a bad example to be sexual? I thought that was the dream of all free and liberated women it's not like she's lying in a ditch with a needle in her arm

What the fuck is wrong with her face though

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You mean she should be expected as a role model? (just clarifying) Because I see that happening with Taylor Swift who started out as a good girl. Still a good girl but now she is a grown woman singing about teenage troubles. Not saying that entertainers can't mature without becoming skanky, but is it okay to say how they can or cannot manage their image?

Besides, her target demographic as Hannah Montana are all grown up too. Probably doing the same thing she's doing without her help.

Yeah that's what I meant.

I think certain responsibilities come with fame. Lewd behaviour shouldn't be encouraged, there's enough of that without celebrity validation.

You might be right about her target demograph, I'm not sure. I thought her audience were a good few years younger than her.
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The problem is, that some parents are shitty parents and won't be teaching their kids any morals.



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Yeah that's what I meant.

I think certain responsibilities come with fame. Lewd behaviour shouldn't be encouraged, there's enough of that without celebrity validation.

You might be right about her target demograph, I'm not sure. I thought her audience were a good few years younger than her.

I wouldn't go so far as saying it's a responsibility. They have the influence, obviously, but I think it is their choice what to do with that influence and what to influence exactly. It'd be great if they didn't look disgusting on TV but that is their choice.

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It's a bad example to be sexual? I thought that was the dream of all free and liberated women it's not like she's lying in a ditch with a needle in her arm


I thought so too except that people argue she objectifies herself. I'm not sure how as she is clearly in control of her own sexuality. They were also outraged by her current music where she sings about doing drugs or something, IDK, I don't listen to her. I do know Demi Lovato warned her about doing drugs.
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It's a bad example to be sexual? I thought that was the dream of all free and liberated women it's not like she's lying in a ditch with a needle in her arm

There's nothing wrong with being sexual, she's not being that, she's being a ****ing ******. Is that really what you want kids to think of sexuality? There's a difference between being a liberated woman and one who has no respect for herself, because that's what it is, she's selling herself for publicity... most of what she does isn't for herself, but for publicity. Look at her ****ing hair ffs. I wouldn't call that a liberated woman.
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I believe that celebrities who are marketed to a young audience have a moral and philosophical obligation to refrain from obscene sexual gestures.

Basically if you're getting paid millions to dance in front of some kids grow the **** up and accept that you have an obligation to act responsibly. This goes for any celebrity.
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I thought so too except that people argue she objectifies herself. I'm not sure how as she is clearly in control of her own sexuality. They were also outraged by her current music where she sings about doing drugs or something, IDK, I don't listen to her. I do know Demi Lovato warned her about doing drugs.


Eh, even if she kept singing about rainbows and high school, her fans would move on to whatever flavour of the month teen-rebel pop star is airing currently. Miley is just following her fans

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There's nothing wrong with being sexual, she's not being that, she's being a ****ing ******. Is that really what you want kids to think of sexuality? There's a difference between being a liberated woman and one who has no respect for herself, because that's what it is, she's selling herself for publicity... most of what she does isn't for herself, but for publicity. Look at her ****ing hair ffs. I wouldn't call that a liberated woman.


I really don't care how our kids grow up. If they want to spend every waking moment fucking and drinking, I can understand that.
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Parents should know that what Miley is doing isn't outside the norm for child celebrities.

Now only if she would stop thinking she's black...
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#17
Celebrities having being role-models is to be expected when their mad fans consider their word to be better than that of their strict parents. That why they're called celebrities, their actions and ideas are 'celebrated'.

I don't think they want to be role models though. If they did, they'd become a teacher.
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There's nothing wrong with being sexual, she's not being that, she's being a ****ing ******. Is that really what you want kids to think of sexuality? There's a difference between being a liberated woman and one who has no respect for herself, because that's what it is, she's selling herself for publicity... most of what she does isn't for herself, but for publicity. Look at her ****ing hair ffs. I wouldn't call that a liberated woman.

While I agree that acting like that isn't what sexuality and liberated woman's behavior is, it's her job to make money and this is making her money. I do think she is doing it for herself, she chose this career and she can afford to retire now or go any direction she wants. She is an adult.

And I don't think she is responsible for teaching kids about sexuality. It's the parents' job. Also their job to tell their sons they don't wanna touch that with a 10 foot pole. LOL

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Eh, even if she kept singing about rainbows and high school, her fans would move on to whatever flavour of the month teen-rebel pop star is airing currently. Miley is just following her fans

I agree. I think parents forget that kids pick up sex from everywhere.
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I wouldn't go so far as saying it's a responsibility. They have the influence, obviously, but I think it is their choice what to do with that influence and what to influence exactly. It'd be great if they didn't look disgusting on TV but that is their choice.

I think it is, as they know that lots of impressionable young people are going to be influenced by them. Obviously the parents are ultimately responsible, but parents can't be there all the time, and music TV and radio are highly accessible.
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i think the parents are rightfully concerned, because what else can they do? no miley cyrus for a week? at the same time they have no right to tell anyone but their children what to do.

the only solution is to stop everybody from having children.
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#22
No, it's a parents' responsibility to explain whether someone is a good role model or not and whether a behavior is acceptable. If children get bad ideas from Miley Cyrus being crass, that's not her problem.
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Celebrities having being role-models is to be expected when their mad fans consider their word to be better than that of their strict parents. That why they're called celebrities, their actions and ideas are 'celebrated'.

I don't think they want to be role models though. If they did, they'd become a teacher.

Except teachers don't make millions of dollars.

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I think it is, as they know that lots of impressionable young people are going to be influenced by them. Obviously the parents are ultimately responsible, but parents can't be there all the time, and music TV and radio are highly accessible.

True that they can't be there all the time. They can't be there when the kids are in school or the park or the mall. But it's still their job to teach fundamental values that will equip their kids with the judgment that they see fit.

While they can't be there all the time, and they shouldn't, they must be able to first lay the foundation and reinforce it throughout their kid's life. You don't just teach a kid once then throw it out into the world.

I am sure they know who they are influencing but I don't think they are obligated to act a certain way because of that. It would be great if they did and I would admire them if they were able to make a successful career out of it. But ultimately, they will do what they think is best for them and not millions of fans they do not know personally.
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Parents should know that what Miley is doing isn't outside the norm for child celebrities.

I don't think the fact that a lot of other child celebrities have done stupid shit like this means we should act like Miley pulling a strip club style performace was acceptable. Even if you don't consider the moral questions, it was incredibly cringe-y and cheap quality entertainment.
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#26
She's an entertainer, I found it entertaining.

She doesn't have to appeal to the same fan base until she dies.
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No. Learn to raise your own kids so strangers don't have to.

I guess your kids won't be going to school then?
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#29
Also, yes I think if you want to be celebrated in the public eye and basically paid to do so, you should be expected to be a role model.
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Also, yes I think if you want to be celebrated in the public eye and basically paid to do so, you should be expected to be a role model.

Depends on who is celebrating you. The public can be just one demographic yet everyone else still sees them. And I don't think they should be expected to be a good role model if they are celebrated for a certain kind of behavior.
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See my earlier post about appealing to a certain kind of fan base. No-ones looking to Kim Kardashian for religious advice.
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See my earlier post about appealing to a certain kind of fan base. No-ones looking to Kim Kardashian for religious advice.

So why are people looking to Miley Cyrus for "proper" behavior? She isn't a child anymore and certainly isn't making music geared towards kids.
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If children get bad ideas from Miley Cyrus being crass, that's not her problem.

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I'm extremely athletic. I've played football (American), boxed, ran, and swam since I was like 12. I never had any posters of pro athletes on my walls. I didn't really look up to anybody in the sports world because I considered my Dad and older brother (who were both athletic prodigies) to be my role models. As such, nobody had to get upset when Marshawn lynch gets arrested for DUI, etc. Raise your kids to look up to real people in their lives and you don't have to be upset when some famous person you don't even know does something stupid.

If you don't want your kids to think that what Miley is doing is what sexuality is all about, then sit down with them and speak with them about what you believe and why you believe it. The parents who are afraid of Miley (or anyone else) corrupting their kids are the same ones who don't teach the kids anything. So the kids go out and find someone else to teach them.

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#35
Hell no.

My children will be able to choose whoever the hell they want as a role model, but I will try to distance them from any celebrity bullshit. A role model should be someone that actually makes a positive impact, and doesn't need recognition for it. I'm sure that would be hard for a child to understand, but it's worth a shot.
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Should celebrities be expected to be role models? Yes.

Edit: Just because you have the power to be a dumbass, doesn't mean you should.
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#37
ITT: kids pretending they now how to raise kids.
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#38
no.

you shouldn't have to live with being a celebrity because you're good at what you do whether its acting, music, business or whatever.

id hate to get super famous.
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Besides, her target demographic as Hannah Montana are all grown up too. Probably doing the same thing she's doing without her help.

lol, her target demo is like 12-14 now
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The problem is, that some parents are shitty parents and won't be teaching their kids any morals.

This, end of thread, everybody can go home now, nothing else worth of interest to see here.
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