Poll: Is growing up easier for guys or girls?
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#1
Growing up - going into secondary school, puberty, getting into bars, getting a job, going to uni/college, getting a house apartment, getting into a long term relationship...

Is it easier for guys or girls?
#2
Probably guys because we don't have to worry about our genitals bleeding
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Probably guys because we don't have to worry about our genitals bleeding

Guys need to worry more about their genitals bleeding.
If a girls leaking red, its that time of month.
if a guy is, oh shit its hospital time.
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Guys need to worry more about their genitals bleeding.
If a girls leaking red, its that time of month.
if a guy is, oh shit its hospital time.

Touché
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Growing up

Let's get into that for a bit.
- going into secondary school

Interesting, potentially fun, but dominated by childish behaviour until the last year....maybe.
puberty

Interesting, point of competition, seems handed maturely by society.
getting into bars

Not mandatory, yet everyone expects something social like this from you. Pretty childish, imo.
getting a job

Responsibility, obligations, fake environmental constructs, about as grown up as grown up can be. Next.
going to uni/college

Similar to getting into bars. Difference is that the social stuff is expected IN uni/college, and that (from my experience) it doesn't get much more childish than this.
getting a house apartment

Same as getting a job, only it doesn't relate to maturity. You can live in a villa and constantly be playing around with the furniture and doing hop-skotch in the bathroom.
getting into a long term relationship...

Nothing to do with maturity, only that the emotions start to develop during puberty, so a 5 year old propably doesn't have a clue what he's doing while a 15 year old propably doesn't have a clue what to do.

The point of all this is to say that it's all relative. These are common things expected from all of us, and I detest that notion. I don't go to bars, but I did so extensively during college. All they were talking about was sex and relationships, and I had nothing to comment on those topics, primarily because I didn't care about any of it. One could say I've 'grown up' too much, compared to them. But at the same time, I make silly voices all the time, I joke around all the time, and if I can shove off any responsibility I will. After all, what's the point in being grown up when you can't be childish sometimes ?

Is it easier for guys or girls?

Girls, definately. The relationship part alone confirms it. Most parents don't expect their girls to accomplish much outside of what the girls want for themselves, while the boys always have to strive for more. That goes for secondary school, social accomplishments, having a successful career, being completely independant, and getting laid, among many other things.

My $0,02
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Growing up - going into secondary school, puberty, getting into bars, getting a job, going to uni/college, getting a house apartment, getting into a long term relationship...

Is it easier for guys or girls?


Hard to say.

Women hit their peak sexual value earlier than men.

So, I say women have it easier. Men have it harder, but life gets easier for them later in life, and harder for women.
#9
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#10
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Yeah, the perma-boner was probably the hardest part.

I feel what you did there.
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Girls, definately. The relationship part alone confirms it. Most parents don't expect their girls to accomplish much outside of what the girls want for themselves, while the boys always have to strive for more. That goes for secondary school, social accomplishments, having a successful career, being completely independant, and getting laid, among many other things.

Couldn't have said it better myself!
#13
I'd say it was harder on girls initially but balances out later in life.
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#14
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Growing up - going into secondary school, puberty, getting into bars, getting a job, going to uni/college, getting a house apartment, getting into a long term relationship...

Is it easier for guys or girls?


I guess it depends on what you mean.

Physically I think puberty is harder for girls/women. They immediately are made aware of the reproductive cycle and have to deal with the beginning of menstrual cycles which can't be much fun and goes on for 40 to 50 years. Plus the addition of breasts and the media attention on being 'pretty'. Add in the social aspect of High School and the pressure can be intense.

I think guys are having a hard time because all the attention has been on girls and their achievements over the past 40 years or so. Guys are taught that being a guy is a bad thing and that they're simply broken girls. So a lot of the activities that helped guys such as unstructured recess, has gone away being replaced with activities that are more girl oriented such as group activities and getting in touch with yourself.

As to bars, there's no restriction on either sex although I think girls might have it easier to get into bars (ladies night) but they also have to deal with the guys hitting on them. Guys have it easier getting into bars but have to deal with rejection.

College is fast becoming a women only institution. Women are attending college at higher rates than men and are receiving up to 60% of all degrees. Part of this is the hostile attitude towards men at college. All men are potential rapists for example. So it's easier for women to get in to college in part because there are less guys applying. Title IX is part of this. Since there are more women in college, women are less interested in sports, many sports teams have been disbanded (2,200 was one statistic I recently read). Without sports teams, you have less guys (face it, sports attracts guys ). More recently, even math and science will start to be affected due to the changes in Title IX. The classes will require an equal representation of gender which will reduce the number of available slots. If it's a 30 person class but only 5 women take the class and graduate, then the class size is reduced to 10 (one of the new changes is that there have to be a higher number of women _complete_ the course, not just sign up and bail).

I don't know that getting a job is any harder or easier for women vs men. The pay is actually pretty equal when all variables are accounted for, otherwise why aren't companies hiring only women? But this is a hot button for many folks.

Getting an apartment or house shouldn't be a big deal either way. The apartment or banks are looking at credit history.

Long term relationships is another harder one. Women tend to want to marry guys who are higher in status. If fewer guys are going to college, then the guys are also making less money which means the pool of available, acceptable guys for women is getting smaller. I think guys want to get married, but they're willing to 'sow their wild oats' since it's easily available, until their 30's and then marry a woman in her 20's. This leaves the women who are now in their 30's having to marry men in their 40's who are likely getting out of a divorce and might be a bit more wary of women at this point.

I've been reading several books over the past few months on this. I started off with an article on why guys are "checking out". Playing video games, using internet porn, and living with their parents. Which led to a couple of websites, which led to these books.

Men on Strike
The War Against Boys
Save the Males

It's been interesting.

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#15
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I guess it depends on what you mean.

Physically I think puberty is harder for girls/women. They immediately are made aware of the reproductive cycle and have to deal with the beginning of menstrual cycles which can't be much fun and goes on for 40 to 50 years. Plus the addition of breasts and the media attention on being 'pretty'. Add in the social aspect of High School and the pressure can be intense.

I think guys are having a hard time because all the attention has been on girls and their achievements over the past 40 years or so. Guys are taught that being a guy is a bad thing and that they're simply broken girls. So a lot of the activities that helped guys such as unstructured recess, has gone away being replaced with activities that are more girl oriented such as group activities and getting in touch with yourself.

As to bars, there's no restriction on either sex although I think girls might have it easier to get into bars (ladies night) but they also have to deal with the guys hitting on them. Guys have it easier getting into bars but have to deal with rejection.

College is fast becoming a women only institution. Women are attending college at higher rates than men and are receiving up to 60% of all degrees. Part of this is the hostile attitude towards men at college. All men are potential rapists for example. So it's easier for women to get in to college in part because there are less guys applying. Title IX is part of this. Since there are more women in college, women are less interested in sports, many sports teams have been disbanded (2,200 was one statistic I recently read). Without sports teams, you have less guys (face it, sports attracts guys ). More recently, even math and science will start to be affected due to the changes in Title IX. The classes will require an equal representation of gender which will reduce the number of available slots. If it's a 30 person class but only 5 women take the class and graduate, then the class size is reduced to 10 (one of the new changes is that there have to be a higher number of women _complete_ the course, not just sign up and bail).

I don't know that getting a job is any harder or easier for women vs men. The pay is actually pretty equal when all variables are accounted for, otherwise why aren't companies hiring only women? But this is a hot button for many folks.

Getting an apartment or house shouldn't be a big deal either way. The apartment or banks are looking at credit history.

Long term relationships is another harder one. Women tend to want to marry guys who are higher in status. If fewer guys are going to college, then the guys are also making less money which means the pool of available, acceptable guys for women is getting smaller. I think guys want to get married, but they're willing to 'sow their wild oats' since it's easily available, until their 30's and then marry a woman in her 20's. This leaves the women who are now in their 30's having to marry men in their 40's who are likely getting out of a divorce and might be a bit more wary of women at this point.

I've been reading several books over the past few months on this. I started off with an article on why guys are "checking out". Playing video games, using internet porn, and living with their parents. Which led to a couple of websites, which led to these books.

Men on Strike
The War Against Boys
Save the Males

It's been interesting.

Carl


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#16
Quote by HayabusaJack
Yadda yadda yadda

Oh my god you are a lunatic.

Aw no men are so oppressed and women are ruining everything goddamn feminazi stole my ice cream

Really? I mean, really? Have you ever been told that you're just a "broken girl"? I mean, other than by other lunatics?

I can't even right now.
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#17
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Oh my god you are a lunatic.

Aw no men are so oppressed and women are ruining everything goddamn feminazi stole my ice cream

Really? I mean, really? Have you ever been told that you're just a "broken girl"? I mean, other than by other lunatics?

I can't even right now.


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#18
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Oh my god you are a lunatic.

Aw no men are so oppressed and women are ruining everything goddamn feminazi stole my ice cream

Really? I mean, really? Have you ever been told that you're just a "broken girl"? I mean, other than by other lunatics?

I can't even right now.


That was certainly an intelligent and thoughtful reply. Thank you for your input.

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#20
going into secondary school, puberty, getting into bars, getting a job, going to uni/college, getting a house apartment, getting into a long term relationship

Have done all of those. But I'll be damned if I am going to grow up.
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#21
To be honest I think it really depends on the individual, not just generalising boys and girls. At the end of the day the mindset of every person differs, so everyone has their own thresholds for most situations.
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#23
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That was certainly an intelligent and thoughtful reply. Thank you for your input.

Carl


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#25
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That was certainly an intelligent and thoughtful reply. Thank you for your input.

Carl

I'm sorry you didn't get the reply you felt you were entitled to.

I did however have a little look round for those books you recommended. Glad to hear you're in the good company of other total lunatics.

Edit: Oh, we're signing off now? Cool!

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#26
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I'm sorry you didn't get the reply you felt you were entitled to.

I did however have a little look round for those books you recommended. Glad to hear you're in the good company of other total lunatics.


Hey, man, I'm sure some people thought Jesus was a lunatic. And look what great amazing things he ended up doing.

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#27
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I think guys are having a hard time because all the attention has been on girls and their achievements over the past 40 years or so. Guys are taught that being a guy is a bad thing and that they're simply broken girls. So a lot of the activities that helped guys such as unstructured recess, has gone away being replaced with activities that are more girl oriented such as group activities and getting in touch with yourself.

I don't quite understand this. Even if the attention has been on women's "rise to equality" the reality is that men still accomplish more than women due to access, longer time having access to certain privileges and such. Besides, women in media are too coddled. Only girls seem to be portrayed to face image issues when men do as well. It's rather sad they don't get the same attention.

Quote by HayabusaJack

College is fast becoming a women only institution. Women are attending college at higher rates than men and are receiving up to 60% of all degrees. Part of this is the hostile attitude towards men at college. All men are potential rapists for example. So it's easier for women to get in to college in part because there are less guys applying. Title IX is part of this. Since there are more women in college, women are less interested in sports, many sports teams have been disbanded (2,200 was one statistic I recently read). Without sports teams, you have less guys (face it, sports attracts guys ). More recently, even math and science will start to be affected due to the changes in Title IX. The classes will require an equal representation of gender which will reduce the number of available slots. If it's a 30 person class but only 5 women take the class and graduate, then the class size is reduced to 10 (one of the new changes is that there have to be a higher number of women _complete_ the course, not just sign up and bail).

Carl

What? While it's true there are more women than men in most universities,I doubt it is bc of hostile attitudes towards men (which I don't think is even a case at all). It may have more to do with expectations. Girls are expected to hit the books, boys are expected to be good at sports. You are more likely to get into college if you're smart as there are a limited number of team spots for sports.

While sports does attract more men than women, it is not the main reason people go to school for. Maybe those hoping to get a scholarship through sports, but not for everyone else.
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Girls, definately. The relationship part alone confirms it. Most parents don't expect their girls to accomplish much outside of what the girls want for themselves, while the boys always have to strive for more. That goes for secondary school, social accomplishments, having a successful career, being completely independant, and getting laid, among many other things.


True but antiquated. In my experience, I was just as expected to be completely independent, accomplished in school and in my career and be more than someone's spouse as my brother was.

Although, because people still think the way that you mentioned, it IS easier for girls in terms of relationships because men are expected to take the initiative more or less.
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Phil

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#29
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Phil


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What? While it's true there are more women than men in most universities,I doubt it is bc of hostile attitudes towards men (which I don't think is even a case at all). It may have more to do with expectations. Girls are expected to hit the books, boys are expected to be good at sports. You are more likely to get into college if you're smart as there are a limited number of team spots for sports.



One thing I never understood: If there are more women in universities than men, where are all the men going?

Trades? Cuz, hell, I don't think that is bad. There is a lack of trades about and at least men aren't coming out of education with a load of debt.

Phil
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#33
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I'm sorry you didn't get the reply you felt you were entitled to.

I did however have a little look round for those books you recommended. Glad to hear you're in the good company of other total lunatics.

Edit: Oh, we're signing off now? Cool!

Dave


I would have had a better reply had you actually tried to rebut any of what I typed but just calling me a lunatic really provides no opportunity for an intelligent reply other than what I did. But I am doing a lot of reading since the article I mentioned. You're welcome to check out the books I mentioned and provide a difference of opinion or alternate reading. I'm happy to read someone elses viewpoint. Until I started following the trail started by the "Where are all the men" article, I was pretty clueless about it all, just going my own way and doing my own thing. So far the books I'm reading, where you're calling them lunatics as well, have quite a few references and I've followed up on several of them finding a bit of a skew here and there. But just calling me a lunatic pretty much ends the conversation. I can't rebut that, heck I might just be a lunatic.

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Carl


Hush now Carl.

You don't need to get out.

We are all you need.

Phil
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One thing I never understood: If there are more women in universities than men, where are all the men going?

Trades? Cuz, hell, I don't think that is bad. There is a lack of trades about and at least men aren't coming out of education with a load of debt.

Phil

I would think trades too because you think of heavy or dangerous work when it comes to many trade careers. Like shrimping. You don't see women in that line of work.

I think also bc men are expected to be providers, they jump into careers first then think of college later. So they're probably pursuing higher education as much as women are, just not as visible since they would either go for night classes or online courses.
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#36
I think girls have it easier on a social aspect. Making friends, getting into relationships and any attention from anyone.
I wish I could go to a bar and have someone hit on me
#37
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I think girls have it easier on a social aspect. Making friends, getting into relationships and any attention from anyone.
I wish I could go to a bar and have someone hit on me


I've noticed girls change a bit when they get older.

If you're realllllly quiet, you can hear their clocks ticking. Suddenly, they can't stop hitting on you.

Phil
#38
Quote by kikaykitko
I don't quite understand this. Even if the attention has been on women's "rise to equality" the reality is that men still accomplish more than women due to access, longer time having access to certain privileges and such. Besides, women in media are too coddled. Only girls seem to be portrayed to face image issues when men do as well. It's rather sad they don't get the same attention.


Well, the first wave feminism was all about a "rise to equality". Second wave seems to be more of a zero sum game. If there are too many guys (STEM), then we have to get more women into science etc. But men are way behind on reading and writing. Way way behind. But there's no one trying to balance that part of the 'equality' equation. Being able to effectively communicate is important. Heck, it's very important now with less manufacturing jobs and more desk jobs (like mine as a computer professional).

As to media, what little I can stand to watch seem to have men as goofballs and idiots, incapable of doing anything without the help of the wife or even the kids. And I'm not saying women were any better depicted back in the 50's (for example), but it seems than men can be made fun of with impunity. Where's the balance?

What? While it's true there are more women than men in most universities, I doubt it is bc of hostile attitudes towards men (which I don't think is even a case at all). It may have more to do with expectations. Girls are expected to hit the books, boys are expected to be good at sports. You are more likely to get into college if you're smart as there are a limited number of team spots for sports.

While sports does attract more men than women, it is not the main reason people go to school for. Maybe those hoping to get a scholarship through sports, but not for everyone else.


Sure. Guys don't know about the hostile attitudes until they get to college. But the 'All men are potential rapists' was certainly a true situation. And these things get back to the guys. I remember reading articles about that one I mentioned.

And why aren't guys expected to hit the books? I was expected to hit the books when I was growing up and in school. If the emphasis and support in primary and secondary schools are on girls, then why wouldn't there be more girls going to college? Girls are expected to go to college. So why aren't boys expected to go? Somewhere guys are not being encouraged to study and go to college.

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Thanks. I have a couple of ladders but this one seems much newer.

And honestly, it seems that when people's beliefs are put into question, they'd rather stop listening than think about the discussion and maybe, just maybe, change their beliefs.

But not always

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#40
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One thing I never understood: If there are more women in universities than men, where are all the men going?

Trades? Cuz, hell, I don't think that is bad. There is a lack of trades about and at least men aren't coming out of education with a load of debt.

Phil


That's just it. They're not going. They don't push as hard to succeed. They take jobs that don't require degrees. Heck, there are more and more guys who just continue to live with their parents vs going out into the world or they go into the military. If you don't have a family to support, why work hard to get a better job? If the amount of money I make now is sufficient for me to rent an apartment, get a few luxuries (bed, furniture, 72" TV!, xbox), why work harder?

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