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I think it has come to the point in Rock where all the best bands have come and gone and the best music has been made. Lets face it we will never see the likes of another album which will blow you away. Obviously this is all down to personal opinion and tastes. I think that Rock died in the late 90's. What bands are there now? Shit acts like Coldplay etc. There is a band called Haim who are being labelled as the next Fleetwood Mac and guess what? They are pure wank. A complete joke. Maybe there are a few bands who I don't know about who are decent?
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#2


You're an idiot.
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Maybe there are a few bands who I dont know about who are decent?


This and this alone shows that your experience in music is hideously limited, and that your knowledge of artists in rock music is hideously limited. Because there are thousands of amazing modern bands that you don't know, and your elitist "I was born in the wrong generation" attitude that classic rock is the epitome of rock music is laughable. Go and explore modern rock that isn't on Kerrang and mainstream radio stations.

EDIT: oh, and the fact you ACTUALLY think that the peak of music has been reached is also pretty damn grim.
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My experience in music is hidiously limited! Have you seen my record and cd collection? If having an opinion and my own tastes in music makes me an idiot then I do not value your opinion. Maybe I should of worded my thread better to accommodate people like you.

Contemporary Rock bands such as Linkin Park, Alter Bridge, Green Day, Muse etc are all shite. But that is just my opinion.
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It's true, IMO rock is becoming a tired genre. So much has been explored in rock that the only acts today who are considered any good need to be doing something very innovative, which is increasingly difficult and is a rare occurrence. Also a lot of the old bands had real personality, you could feel it through their music. It was original at the time. Any attempt at something similar will now be called a revival. IMO a lot of indie acts today are tedious affairs with little true original character, all seemingly trying to fit the same mould. The music itself is on the whole boring.

That said there are some good (very good) bands, you just have to look harder. On the other hand anyone who plays pure rock and roll/garage rock etc. are seen as a throwback or a revival. There's little room left for innovation in rock these days. That's why bands - at least in the indie scene, I don't know about metal - are turning to genres such as dance, electronic and folk etc.
#7
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My experience in music is hidiously limited!
then why are you making a thread about how music is bad? you cant really critique it if you've only heard like 5% of it
Have you seen my record and cd collection?
You know I haven't
If having an opinion and my own tastes in music makes me an idiot then I do not value your opinion.
This is a strawman fallacy. At no point did I call you an idiot.
Maybe I should of worded my thread better to accommodate people like you.
Maybe you should think a little bit about what music you're listening to that you don't like.
Contemporary Rock bands such as Linkin Park, Alter Bridge, Green Day, Muse etc are all shite. But that is just my opinion.
All of those are shite in my opinion too, but you're saying modern rock is all bad and that there may only be a few good bands.

You're reducing the quality of a huge umbrella genre to what mainstream artists there are. Furthermore, most classic rock bands are pretty awful too; being the same sort of digestible, shallow tosh. Merely under a different style and sound.

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So much has been explored in rock that the only acts today who are considered any good need to be doing something very innovative, which is increasingly difficult and is a rare occurrence..
Maybe in mainstream rock. Contemporary rock includes all modern rock bands. And a hell of a lot of them are pushing boundaries and experimenting in a big way.

You're speaking of modern rock as if it were only the artists you hear on the radio and read about in rock magazines. If you look into prog and experimental rock you will find some truly innovative stuff.
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It's true, IMO rock is becoming a tired genre. So much has been explored in rock that the only acts today who are considered any good need to be doing something very innovative, which is increasingly difficult and is a rare occurrence. Also a lot of the old bands had real personality, you could feel it through their music. It was original at the time. Any attempt at something similar will now be called a revival. IMO a lot of indie acts today are tedious affairs with little true original character, all seemingly trying to fit the same mould. The music itself is on the whole boring.

That said there are some good (very good) bands, you just have to look harder. On the other hand anyone who plays pure rock and roll/garage rock etc. are seen as a throwback or a revival. There's little room left for innovation in rock these days. That's why bands - at least in the indie scene, I don't know about metal - are turning to genres such as dance, electronic and folk etc.


I can't remember the last time I heard a rock song that blew me away. I suppose bands are going to do what is popular and follow fashion to sell as amny records as possible. I am not stuck in th dark ages or am one of these people who will not give new bands a chance but I genuinely don't like contemporary rock.

A band used to be a group of friends who had all got together and spent years learning their instruments and spending many months touring in poverish conditions. Now it's all about overnight success and manufactured bands all influenced by 'The X Factor' culture.
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I'm not sure why Banjocal's got such a bee in his bonnet. Coming in here shouting for no conceivable reason throwing words like 'elitist' around and making baseless assumptions. Why the anger? Take a xanax my friend.

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[You're speaking of modern rock as if it were only the artists you hear on the radio and read about in rock magazines. If you look into prog and experimental rock you will find some truly innovative stuff.


Prog is actually one of my favourite genres, but again I think most of the best stuff was done in the early 70s. A lot of what seems to be about today is retreading what those bands did only with the missing element of originality. Original prog today seems increasingly fused with jazz and experimentalism, hence rock as a genre is becoming diminished as it has to explore these other idioms in order to survive. I don't listen to the radio.
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Contemporary Rock bands such as Linkin Park, Alter Bridge, Green Day, Muse etc are all shite. But that is just my opinion.
You know what? I agree with the exception that I like some of Muse's older works. To be fair I listen to more metal these days than rock but there is definitely some good modern rock out there: Porcupine Tree, Radiohead, Riverside... I don't know what you're into but sometimes you just have to dig a little deeper.
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Maybe he's having a bad day and maybe Banjocal can name a few of these groups so I can listen to them and who knows, maybe I will like them?
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Well what are some of your favourite older artists?
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10/10 thread, would laugh at OP again.
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#14
Off the top of my head......Fleetwood Mac (all the line ups), G'N'R, The Verve, Ocean Colour Scene, Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, Led Zepplin, Cream, Queen, Offspring, Blondie et al.
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Hate to break it to you bud but I think at least 3 of those bands count as "modern rock"
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Hate to break it to you bud but I think at least 3 of those bands count as "modern rock"


Meant the old G'N'R, which ones are classed as modern rock? By modern rock I meant todays music that is current and in the charts.
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Why should it matter whether the music is in the charts? Chart music tends to cycle over different genres anyway. 70s had prog, 90s had grunge etc...

I don't think I can help you much with new artists though as I don't listen to any of the bands you mentioned. I'm more of a prog-man.
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He probably means bands formed in the last 10, 15 years or so. Of indie bands for example, the few that have impressed me recently, I can think of acts like Grizzly Bear, Yeasayer and Django Django. Rock.. MSP are still a good band and Radiohead etc. There's a lot of crap about though.

Old Muse are good and so are Riverside. I stay away from bands like Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater, too metal for my tastes, although I like Dream Theater's Awake.
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Hate to break it to you bud but I think at least 3 of those bands count as "modern rock"


Which three bands are modern rock?
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I'm not sure why Banjocal's got such a bee in his bonnet. Coming in here shouting for no conceivable reason throwing words like 'elitist' around and making baseless assumptions. Why the anger? Take a xanax my friend.


Prog is actually one of my favourite genres, but again I think most of the best stuff was done in the early 70s. A lot of what seems to be about today is retreading what those bands did only with the missing element of originality. Original prog today seems increasingly fused with jazz and experimentalism, hence rock as a genre is becoming diminished as it has to explore these other idioms in order to survive. I don't listen to the radio.

And a lot of modern prog rock -particularly in the experimental communities - are pushing things like crazy. This thread is like saying all modern folk is bad because Mumford and sons suck.
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What do you think of classic sounding modern bands, like The Answer or Rival Sons?


I think Rival Sons are not original at all, they are just trying to copy bands like Led Zepplin to the 'T' Don't know about The Answer, never listened to them.
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I think Rival Sons are not original at all, they are just trying to copy bands like Led Zepplin to the 'T' Don't know about The Answer, never listened to them.


I agree, they aren't original. But do you like them?
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And a lot of modern prog rock -particularly in the experimental communities - are pushing things like crazy. This thread is like saying all modern folk is bad because Mumford and sons suck.


In my opinion all modern folk more than sucks but hey, thats just my opinion and thats all it is an opinion.
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I agree, they aren't original. But do you like them?


Mediocre, I wouldn't buy their records.
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In my opinion all modern folk more than sucks but hey, thats just my opinion and thats all it is an opinion.

Yes, bu saying its all bad because you've heard the mainstream artists and they sucked is basically admitting ignorance
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Mediocre, I wouldn't buy their records.


Fair does. How come you don't like them much if they're copying Zeppelin's style so closely? You've mentioned Zep as one of your favourite bands, so surely more of the same is a good thing regardless of the source or date?
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Yes, bu saying its all bad because you've heard the mainstream artists and they sucked is basically admitting ignorance


I do not like the genre as a whole.
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How about The Gaslight Anthem and Streetlight Manifesto, kinda more modern. And John Butler Trio started a little before them but still modern really. Just throwing out three of my favourite bands which are modern.
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Which three bands are modern rock?


Probably referring to Verve, Oasis and Ocean Colour Scene. They're modern rock in a sense, but they ceased to be fashionable in the late 90s so don't really count among the kind of modern rock you'd get in the charts.

The charts incidentally are a horrible way to judge classic rock against modern rock. Most of what's been in the charts since they began has been invariably awful. If you're talking about highly popular rock acts, you don't get many of them in the charts at all anymore. As you said, it's dominated by the 'X-factor culture', money, image, commercialism, even more than it was in the 70s, with zero artistic value.
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I do not like the genre as a whole.

You can't dislike a genre as a whole when you've barely heard a tenth of it.

And disliking something I different to thinking it sucks
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#33
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Fair does. How come you don't like them much if they're copying Zeppelin's style so closely? You've mentioned Zep as one of your favourite bands, so surely more of the same is a good thing regardless of the source or date?


They just don'treach out to me.I am trying to come across originality, not clones and copies. I could listen to more of their tracks but from what I've seen and heard, they ahven't inspired me too.
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You can't dislike a genre as a whole when you've barely heard a tenth of it.

And disliking something I different to thinking it sucks


I don't just dislike it I think it is pure shite (again this is only my opinion). That's like saying you can't dislike Justin Bieber until you've listened to all of his albums.

I don't like folk because it just does nothing for me, I have listened to it (my dad likes it) but it just doesn't do it for me.
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Probably referring to Verve, Oasis and Ocean Colour Scene. They're modern rock in a sense, but they ceased to be fashionable in the late 90s so don't really count among the kind of modern rock you'd get in the charts.

The charts incidentally are a horrible way to judge classic rock against modern rock. Most of what's been in the charts since they began has been invariably awful. If you're talking about highly popular rock acts, you don't get many of them in the charts at all anymore. As you said, it's dominated by the 'X-factor culture', money, image, commercialism, even more than it was in the 70s, with zero artistic value.


My definition of modern rock is 21st century, so bands formed before the millenium don't count (even if they still tour and release records).
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I don't just dislike it I think it is pure shite (again this is only my opinion). That's like saying you can't dislike Justin Bieber until you've listened to all of his albums.

I don't like folk because it just does nothing for me, I have listened to it (my dad likes it) but it just doesn't do it for me.

Artist with 4 or so albums =/= genre with thousands of artists

"I don't like linkin park therefore all rock is shit"

If you hear smooth jazz and then say all jazz is shit, you don't know what you're talking about. Same with modern rock.
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Artist with 4 or so albums =/= genre with thousands of artists

"I don't like linkin park therefore all rock is shit"

If you hear smooth jazz and then say all jazz is shit, you don't know what you're talking about. Same with modern rock.


No that is not my attitude. Linkin Parks style of rock is not my cup of tea.
#39
If you're looking for originality, I can only suggest you reflect on your values. Nothing anyone has ever done can be truly original, the whole of your personality reflects the environment you live in.
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No that is not my attitude. Linkin Parks style of rock is not my cup of tea.

Yet in the OP you say that there must be at least a few good bands in the genre. You know, that umbrella genre with hundreds of thousands of artists?
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