#1
Hi guys, I need some advice.

For practicing and playing live, I am currently playing through a Marshall JVM 210H, which is a great bit of kit but I'm having issues when playing with a second guitarist.

Basically, my sound isn't really heard over his. (This isn't a volume issue before anyone mentions :P, but the volume doesn't really go too loud either) I feel like no matter how I tweak the EQ, my sound just doesn't cut through the mix.

When he plays, he uses a slightly overdriven channel on this amp and then gets the real gain from an overdrive pedal. Does this really gain better results than simply using the amp channel? If so, does anyone have any recommendations for which pedal to go for?

Thanks!
#2
have you two tried switching amps? Keep the pedals and guitars the same though
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Quote by Carrot
have you two tried switching amps? Keep the pedals and guitars the same though


We haven't but he has 2 different amp heads that he alternates between gigs and practices.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely inaudible, but his sound definitely cuts through the mix better.
#4
what genre? are you scooping your mids?
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#5
add some mids and get a tube screamer pedal like a Bad Monkey, TS-9, ect and set it up as a clean boost (volume max, gain 0 and tone to your taste)

What cab and speakers are you using?

I have an old DSL 100 and that thing cuts through a mix with no problem.
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#6
Also have u tried switching place with where he stands.

Speakers are very directional, and I can barely hear myself when I stand in front of the amp, but when I move through the room, I am almost embarrassed that the rest of the guys hear me so loudly

Rest is already given above^^

Mids etc.

Also try less gain.

Also what guitar + pups do you have, and what has the other guy have.

Also does said guy have a compressor pedal?

Also when you play exactly the same, then in a closed room you will definitely hit a peak, in that the sound is so full in the room, that how loud you make yourself, there is just not enough space for the sound to project.

Likewise, when playing exactly the same stuff, then you will also seem less loud.

If playing the exact same stuff, then you should both back of the gain, and then your 2 sounds will fill each other to get the same "wall of sound".

But problems like this arise quite often in (small) closed (unprocessed) rooms, especially when dealing with compressed sounds.

If in said room a bass guitar quite easily can take up the entire space as well, but is less common than all of the above.

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#7
Next time you're at band practice you should both work on tweaking your eq's to make room for each other in the mix. Grabbing a tube screamer to boost your amp certainly wouldn't hurt either.
#8
Thanks guys, I'll try a tubescreamer. I'm pretty much cranking the mids fully and I'm not sure of the cab model as I use a blackstar one at the studio I practice at.

Our problem may be that we're both playing the same thing too damn loud! haha
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Quote by Liam616
Thanks guys, I'll try a tubescreamer. I'm pretty much cranking the mids fully and I'm not sure of the cab model as I use a blackstar one at the studio I practice at.

Our problem may be that we're both playing the same thing too damn loud! haha

Then both of you turn down to a level that is good for everyone

It is fairly simple to do
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Then both of you turn down to a level that is good for everyone

It is fairly simple to do



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#11
raise the amp up off the floor. get it closer to ear level.
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Isn't everybody supposed to be louder than everybody else?


Cath they are talking about practice, not giging. But we all know that your amps only have one volume selection..........Loud as FUKK.

Actually can you turn down a little my windows in Florida are shaking
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When we left the door open on the warehouse when we were practicing my brother said he could hear us 2.5 km away.
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#14
Lower gain, raise the mids (consider using an EQ pedal) and crank the master up.

Get someone else to play through your rig and stand a good few feet away and see how you actually sound to the average gig-going punter.
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