#1
I know that it's impossible to just ask "HOW DO I BAROQUE" and even if it were...proper music theory applied to electric guitar seems to not exist, anyway, I'm just asking for help with a certain kind of lick that always gets me, and I'm not quite sure what's going on and WHY it gets me.



E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E
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E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E
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|-------------10-14-12-14-|----14---12-14----14---12-14--o||
|-12-11-12-14-------------|-12------------11--------------||
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|-------------10-14-12-14-|----14---12-14----14---12-14--o||
|-12-11-12-14-------------|-12------------11--------------||
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E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E
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|-15-14-15-17-------------|-15------------14-------------||-15----|
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is one example, another is this excerpt from Bach's Toccata and Fugue:



H S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S
|--------------|--------5---5---5---5-|---5---5---5---5---5---5---5---5-|
|--------------|----------8---6---5---|-------------5---6---------------|
|--------------|----------------------|-7---6---7-------------------6---|
|-^0-----------|----------------------|---------------------7---9-------|
|-^0-----------|----------------------|---------------------------------|
|-^0--3-2-3----|----------------------|---------------------------------|


S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S
|---5---5---5---5-----10----10----10----10---|
|-------------5----------13----11----10------|
|-7---6---7-------/10------------------------|
|--------------------------------------------|
|--------------------------------------------|
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S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S
|----10----10----10----10----10----10----10----10-|
|-------------------10----11----------------------|
|-12----11----12----------------------------11----|
|-------------------------------12----14----------|
|-------------------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------------------|


S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S
|----10----10----10----10-------10----------10----|-11-------11-------8----------8----------|
|-------------------10----11----------11----------|------8--------8--------10---------10----|
|-12----11----12-------------12----12----12----12-|----8---8----8---8---10----10---10----10-|
|-------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------|


S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S
|-10-------10-------6-------6-------|
|------6--------6-------8-------8---|
|----7---7----7---7---9---9---9---9-|
|-----------------------------------|
|-----------------------------------|
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and so on and so forth, you get the idea. I suppose it's just pedaling around one note...but there's more to it than that, maybe I should stop being lazy and break it apart and keep studying, but it seems like it should be much easier than I'm making it out to be.
#2
Tab sucks, use sheet music, it's a lot easier to read and analyze (without guitar).
Quote by AlanHB
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#3
I don't read music and honestly don't see the point, unless you're transcribing between instruments :/
#4
Yeah, I was talking about reading it without guitar. And music theory applies to anything. It's easier to analyze when you have it on sheet music. And it also makes it easier to answer your question. You wanted to know what's going on. Analyzing stuff is a lot easier on sheet music. Sheet music makes it a lot easier to understand the musical ideas, tab doesn't do that. It only shows what fingerings to play. So if you want to understand music, you need to learn to read sheet music. And I'm not talking about reading it with guitar. I'm talking about seeing musical ideas on paper and understanding them without needing to try them with your instruments. Because notation applies to all instruments and that's the good thing about it.

When I play guitar, I prefer using tabs if I want to learn songs really fast - I'm just used to that (though I still want to see the rhythms on sheet music so I use Power Tab or Guitar Pro). But if I want to analyze stuff, I use sheet music. It makes analyzing stuff so much easier.
Quote by AlanHB
Just remember that there are no boring scales, just boring players.

Gear

Bach Stradivarius 37G
Charvel So Cal
Fender Dimension Bass
Hartke HyDrive 210c
Ibanez BL70
Laney VC30
Tokai TB48
Yamaha FG720S-12
Yamaha P115
#5
Okay, this isn't a thread for what musical notation you prefer, so please, enough with the derailment.
#6
Sheet music shows hierarchical pitch relationships and note durations. You will get a better sense of whats happening. Analying baroque with chord progressions isnt all that useful. If you have a technique question then try the technique forum
#7
Quote by Velcro Man
Okay, this isn't a thread for what musical notation you prefer, so please, enough with the derailment.

I think what he was trying to say is that if it were presented in standard notation then more people would be able to help you analyse what is going on and discuss the music with you in a meaningful way, however because it's tab it provides an obstacle that he (and many other musicians here that know and understand Baroque and classical music in particular) are probably unwilling to work through in order to analyse and discuss this music in a meaningful way.

MaggaraMarine raises a fair point and it has been made, what you do with it is up to you. There is no need for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to add his two cents on that subject. Hopefully any further posts will stay on topic.
Si
#8
it doesn't sound like you want to be helped TS. it's like you're saying "i know it's a complicated process of analyzation and relationships that i'll only understand from looking this stuff up/reading a theory textbook/taking a course and developing the skills derived from that menial exercise over time, but can you hand me the answer?"

there isn't a cliff notes for "what does this mean" - unless your understanding broadens, nothing anybody can tell you short of "he's pedaling notes" like you said in the OP will be of any meaning to you.

music is a language and it's rife with nuances. you're kinda coming into spanish 1 asking to jump past conjugation straight into translating novellas. or something
modes are a social construct
#9
No, I'm asking for the pattern. When there are similar phrases, there's a pattern to it. I'm not asking for the theory behind it. I will get around to properly studying music theory when I have the time and resources, but for now, I'd like to figure out what it is about this lick.

Well, did, already took care of it on my own with a friend who's a classically trained violinist :v
#12
Quote by Vlasco
What did you come up with?


My guess who would be something along these lines...

Herp-d-derp de herpy derp a derp-a-derp
#14
You don't need baroque help. You need life help.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#15
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You don't need baroque help. You need life help.

u sound like a baroque record xiaoxi
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#16
Quote by Fourfourforever
you're an asshole.


I'm not the one jumping on someone's back for not reading music, I can get the better results out of tablature, so vOv Obviously I'll have to relearn if when I go to school, but for the mean time, I have no use to do so. I think I have a right to be defensive with all this shit going on, so kindly go away <3

Quote by Vlasco
What did you come up with?


Just pedaling off D Melodic Minor, afaik, although it's based around A, so probably some other mode I'm not familiar with. Idk why I thought there was something more to it, like it was some popular overused phrase. I might have picked a better thread title, but it's just a baroque sounding thing, so I didn't think to much of it :v

Quote by griffRG7321
My guess who would be something along these lines...

Herp-d-derp de herpy derp a derp-a-derp


Yap

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u sound like a baroque record xiaoxi


I giggled too much at this.