#1
I have been wondering about the price change over the past few years in the LP custom by Epiphone. I know a year or so ago, the LP custom was retailing for about $800. And now they are going for about $550-$600. I know the custom changed from a LP Custom, to a LP Custom Pro. Did they reduce the quality on the Custom or something? I'm trying to figure out what I missed. Because from my knowledge, the Custom is supposed to be great quality. So it doesn't really make sense to me that it would drop to the same price as a Standard. Any thoughts would be great
#2
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson-LPJ-Electric-Guitar-108573940-i2800827.gc

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Limited-Edition-Les-Paul-Custom-PRO-Electric-Guitar-107766321-i2257328.gc

I don't know for sure, but I wonder if it might have something to do with the new SGJ and LPJ models. Charging $800 new for an Epiphone when a Gibson is selling for $700 new might look a little bad. That doesn't mean the Epi isn't a great guitar or not worth the price.

Marketing/advertising is mostly about appearances. Gibson have to think about how this looks to potential customers. Epiphone is supposed to be the budget brand. It doesn't make much sense for the budget brand to cost more than the brand associated with higher-end (and higher-price) merchandise.

And Epi Standards aren't $600, they're more like $400 new, last I checked. So the custom still costs more.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Traditional-Pro-Electric-Guitar-105939029-i1515777.gc
#3
Quote by samuraigoomba

I don't know for sure, but I wonder if it might have something to do with the new SGJ and LPJ models. Charging $800 new for an Epiphone when a Gibson is selling for $700 new might look a little bad. That doesn't mean the Epi isn't a great guitar or not worth the price.

Marketing/advertising is mostly about appearances. Gibson have to think about how this looks to potential customers. Epiphone is supposed to be the budget brand. It doesn't make much sense for the budget brand to cost more than the brand associated with higher-end (and higher-price) merchandise.

And Epi Standards aren't $600, they're more like $400 new, last I checked. So the custom still costs more.


Good point. I forgot about the new Gibson models going for under $1,000 now. My friend got the Gibson Les Paul Special for like $700, so that could be about the time the price changed for the LP Custom.

And the LP Standard I have runs around $500. I got mine about 6 years ago and its still going for about the same price still

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-PlusTop-PRO-Left-Handed-Electric-Guitar-107602625-i2257326.gc
Last edited by lespaul45 at Sep 9, 2013,
#4
You didn't link a Standard lol Customs have always been around $500-600 and Standards around $400-500

The only Epiphones to ever cost $800 were those Zakk Wylde coffin shaped things, iirc.
#5
Quote by Velcro Man
You didn't link a Standard lol Customs have always been around $500-600 and Standards around $400-500

The only Epiphones to ever cost $800 were those Zakk Wylde coffin shaped things, iirc.


Eh I was somewhat correct. I was just linking the guitar I actually own, which I figured was a standard. Except mine isn't a PRO model. I think its a Standard Plus. It's been so long, I don't remember exactly.
Last edited by lespaul45 at Sep 9, 2013,
#6
Well, there are so many models on the market, it's hard to tell. They usually just throw in some Gibson pickups or something and change the name.
#7
I guess it's just the market nowdays. Everybody had to reduce prices.
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#8
Quote by Velcro Man
You didn't link a Standard lol Customs have always been around $500-600 and Standards around $400-500

The only Epiphones to ever cost $800 were those Zakk Wylde coffin shaped things, iirc.



It wasn't just zakk wyle guitars. The epiphone elitist were over $800 and they made tons of them....
#9
I paided $650.00 for a Epi Les Paul BB. The Gibson BB cost between $3000.00 to $4000.00. What's difference. I'm a beginner be gentle.
#10
Quote by terry.marshal
I paided $650.00 for a Epi Les Paul BB. The Gibson BB cost between $3000.00 to $4000.00. What's difference. I'm a beginner be gentle.


The woods they use are different. How many pieces of wood the body is glued together with varies. The hardware, pickups and wiring are all cheaper. The fret board on the Gibson should have much nicer and more detailed work, frets and all. The overall fit and finish of the Gibson should have more man hours involved in the production of the guitar. Better quality control.

All that being said, as an amateur guitarist the differences are very small. You may not even tell much of a difference. I am a fan of Gibson, but their quality has always been somewhat questionable and each of their guitars should be judged on an individual basis. They make some gems, and they make some lemons too.

Epiphone makes a very high quality guitar for the price.
#11
I paid $550 for my custom pro last year. I play it more than any other guitar that I have. Its an awesome guitar.
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#12
I parted with a Les Paul Plus Top PRO/FX and that beast was over $800 new but it was a fairly limited and unique guitar so that played a part in it. I think the biggest thing is the economy, its hard getting people to sink a lot of cash into an instrument when the economy is tits. Seeing as Gibson owns Epiphone they have probably slashed prices here and there on certain models to make them more cost effective. I seriously doubt they really decreased the quality a noticeable amount with these guitars, personally I believe the price increase in higher end Gibson's reflects the profit losses of the cheaper guitars. I haven't seen the actual price tag comparison in stores but I know the new 2013 Gibson Standard costs a couple hundred more and only has push/pull pots which when purchased in bulk cost like $2 each. I still say to all my buddies who want to learn guitar that have played around with a beginners player pack or really have the desire to learn more to invest in a $300+ Epiphone simply because I think they are the best bang for their buck.
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#13
Quote by ne14t
I parted with a Les Paul Plus Top PRO/FX and that beast was over $800 new but it was a fairly limited and unique guitar so that played a part in it. I think the biggest thing is the economy, its hard getting people to sink a lot of cash into an instrument when the economy is tits. Seeing as Gibson owns Epiphone they have probably slashed prices here and there on certain models to make them more cost effective. I seriously doubt they really decreased the quality a noticeable amount with these guitars, personally I believe the price increase in higher end Gibson's reflects the profit losses of the cheaper guitars. I haven't seen the actual price tag comparison in stores but I know the new 2013 Gibson Standard costs a couple hundred more and only has push/pull pots which when purchased in bulk cost like $2 each. I still say to all my buddies who want to learn guitar that have played around with a beginners player pack or really have the desire to learn more to invest in a $300+ Epiphone simply because I think they are the best bang for their buck.


yea i feel ya on that one. Makes sense, just didn't look at it that way. I was lucky with my first guitar, still being the only one i have. Which is a Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plus. I think it cost me about 500$ about 6 years ago. And now that I'm looking at the LP Custom again, the price had me curious as to why it was so low. But now it makes sense
#14
Quote by Starcounter1
It wasn't just zakk wyle guitars. The epiphone elitist were over $800 and they made tons of them....


The Elitists are made in Japan, that's why they are more $$$

and they didn't sell well, that's why they got discontinued, except the Casino
#15
Quote by lespaul45
I have been wondering about the price change over the past few years in the LP custom by Epiphone. I know a year or so ago, the LP custom was retailing for about $800. And now they are going for about $550-$600. I know the custom changed from a LP Custom, to a LP Custom Pro. Did they reduce the quality on the Custom or something? I'm trying to figure out what I missed. Because from my knowledge, the Custom is supposed to be great quality. So it doesn't really make sense to me that it would drop to the same price as a Standard. Any thoughts would be great


The prices went down when the majority of Epis production moved from Korea to China some years ago
my (made in Korea) Epi Lucille was 875 Euro back in 2007, now they are 500 Euro, regardless if made in China or Korea
Another reason for the pricedrop is, they don't have much importers any more...
that cuts $$$, too
meanwhile they produce them in China, Indonesia and still some in Korea, same price for same models...
The Customs are made side by side with all the other Epis, so same quality,
there is no Custom-shop at any Epi-factory
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#16
Quote by paruwi
The Elitists are made in Japan, that's why they are more $$$

and they didn't sell well, that's why they got discontinued, except the Casino


ImperIals began production in 1990, and elitist were made in 2002 until 2008. All these guitars were $1000 guitars. They stopped production because economy collapse and fact Gibson started selling studios new for 800.

And the idea that epiphone doesn't make a $800 guitar is ludicrous. I can look up and see over 10 guitars in the 800 plus range right now on yahoo. They are not hard to find.....

http://shopping.yahoo.com/electric-guitars/epiphone--brand/?p=epiphone+guitars&sortby=priceD&pf=700
Last edited by Starcounter1 at Sep 11, 2013,
#17
Quote by Starcounter1
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and elitist were made in 2002 until 2008. All these guitars were $1000 guitars. They stopped production because economy collapse and fact Gibson started selling studios new for 800.

.......


Epi never stopped the Elitists completely....

and you seem to know more about the reasons for discontinuing most of the Elitist-line than the Epi CEO
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Quote by paruwi
Epi never stopped the Elitists completely....

and you seem to know more about the reasons for discontinuing most of the Elitist-line than the Epi CEO


I don't know more, I just say what they have never been willing to say....