#1
Basically I work at Asda on a seasonal contract when I'm not at Uni, meaning I work at Christmas, Easter and in the Summer Holidays.

This summer I worked 1 day. I phoned my manager up straight after finishing Uni, gave her the dates I could work, which was all Summer apart from 1 week of holiday. She was supposed to give me regular shifts I heard nothing for a while but eventually after phoning up loads, got 1 shift. I did the shift, did some training and they said they'd be in contact to arrange more shifts. They never did.

Over the summer, I'd call them up at least once a week, ask to arrange hours, only to be told I'd get a call back when they knew. This went on up until this week, the last call I made was like...Saturday?

I get a letter through today from a manager saying my contract is at risk (?) because I've made no effort to contact the store (?) and haven't done work this summer (?), and they've been unable to contact me via letter (they have sent me no letter except for this one) or phone (someone has always been in on my home phone to take a messages, and I havent missed any calls on my mobile) so I should phone them within 48 hours.

What should I do about this? I called the woman at the store, she wasn't in so I gave my story to someone else working in the personnel department.

Has the Pit had any disputes like this and what's the best thing to do?
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Given that you have to ring up to be given shifts, I'm guessing you're on a zero hours contract. In which case you're probably screwed.

All you can really do is explain the situation and hope they decide to keep you on.
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Given that you have to ring up to be given shifts, I'm guessing you're on a zero hours contract. In which case you're probably screwed.

All you can really do is explain the situation and hope they decide to keep you on.


Zero Hours contract is such a bad idea.
#11
Find a different job maybe? Contractual work is such bs. They really don't owe you any hours and sounds like them dicking you around is politely telling you to eff off. Also, welcome to the world of bureaucratic red tape dancing aroundness.
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Looks like its time to find a job
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Find a different job maybe? Contractual work is such bs. They really don't owe you any hours and sounds like them dicking you around is politely telling you to eff off. Also, welcome to the world of bureaucratic red tape dancing aroundness.


I've only got a year left of my degree so this was going to be my last summer working for them. The discount card is nice though.
#15
****ing zero hours contracts man. All you can really do is keep ringing them. Another possibility would be to have a word with the Citizens Advice Bureau, see what they say.
#16
You silly Brits and your employment contracts.
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#17
Tell them that if they don't give you the desired shifts you're gonna make a thread in The Pit!
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You silly Brits and your employment contracts.

It's not really that different to at will employment.

There's no obligation to provide work and so the employer can effectively dismiss someone for whatever reason they see fit by not giving them hours.

I thought you'd love contracts like that.
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#19
You could always just get a actual job AND go to school. That's what most people in your position do. Unless they're scholarship or everything is paid for them.
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You could always just get a actual job AND go to school. That's what most people in your position do. Unless they're scholarship or everything is paid for them.


Time is pretty short when I'm at Uni because I'm doing a degree which is really heavy on the contact hours and most weekends I'm working doing lab reports a lot of the time.
#21
I get that, but there's always a reason not to. It just depends on how bad you want it, I guess. You can find time if you want/have to do it.

Otherwise you'll just have to keep trying as you are and hope you find a generous employer that'll do what you want.
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#22
It's different over here. Part-time jobs are pretty much the only way a student can make any money and continue studying at a decent level. Only problem is, zero hours contracts are starting to become the norm for part-time positions.
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I get that, but there's always a reason not to. It just depends on how bad you want it, I guess. You can find time if you want/have to do it.

Otherwise you'll just have to keep trying as you are and hope you find a generous employer that'll do what you want.


Well considering 9-5 days at Uni I don't really have a lot of time to get a job. I'm not in terrible need for it but it's irrelevant to the matter at hand, my employers blatantly lying, saying I haven't been seeking any work, when I've all the time in the world free to work.
#24
they're probably just messing you about

you seem like the kind of person people **** with just for shits and gigs
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I get that, but there's always a reason not to. It just depends on how bad you want it, I guess. You can find time if you want/have to do it.

Otherwise you'll just have to keep trying as you are and hope you find a generous employer that'll do what you want.

Just because I'm detecting a bit of a tone in your post here I should probably clarify a couple of points for TS (as I have friends who also work on this type of contract).

Seasonal contracts are pretty common across supermarkets. They give you a contract which only obliges you to a few hours per year and then whenever you're in town you're kept on the books so they can use you. This isn't TS being spoilt and wanting his employer to bend over backwards, it's them not responding when they are the ones that offer this kind of common contract. I don't really know why you're insisting he get a "actual job" when there is a fairly commonly offered alternative far more in his favour.

But this issue in the thread isn't just TS complaining about his employer not just doing what he wants, it's that they're threatening to fire him and saying he is not fulfilling his contracted hours when it is them that are not letting him do so. He is being held responsible and risking having being fired on his CV for something he is doing quite the opposite of.
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Just because I'm detecting a bit of a tone in your post here I should probably clarify a couple of points for TS (as I have friends who also work on this type of contract).

Seasonal contracts are pretty common across supermarkets. They give you a contract which only obliges you to a few hours per year and then whenever you're in town you're kept on the books so they can use you. This isn't TS being spoilt and wanting his employer to bend over backwards, it's them not responding when they are the ones that offer this kind of common contract. I don't really know why you're insisting he get a "actual job" when there is a fairly commonly offered alternative far more in his favour.

But this issue in the thread isn't just TS complaining about his employer not just doing what he wants, it's that they're threatening to fire him and saying he is not fulfilling his contracted hours when it is them that are not letting him do so. He is being held responsible and risking having being fired on his CV for something he is doing quite the opposite of.


Thanks for your support.

I know a couple of girls in my year employed at the same store on seasonal contracts, haven't been in contract since last year but they were getting their 6 weeks of summer work last year, when I was only on a temporary contract.

I got a zero-hours pay slip in the post today...saying I am contracted for 14 hours on it.
#27
Wear your ****ing pants dude. If I were you on my first call when they would've said "we will call you back" I would've replied " NO BITCH! YOU DON'T CALL ME. I CALL YOU IF I WANT TO WORK!"

Gotta show these bitch who's the bawss.
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#28
Quit and work somewhere else. Obviously you aren't giving up any money by quitting as you're not even working any hours.
#29
Can you document your attempts at contact?

If not you're screwed.


The question that comes to my mind is why, after a few weeks of no work, weren't you standing in the supervisor's office handling this face-to-face?

It appears that until you got the 'letter' that you weren't really that unhappy about not having to go to work...
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#30
TS, some semi-helpful advice- talk to your store's Personnel Manager, if you're lucky enough to have one who isn't a complete knob. The one at my store is great and will often help out in these kinds of disputes.

It could just be that they are overspending on wages and are looking to cut employees loose to save money, in these cases contracts like yours are the easiest to scrap. If that's the case there's pretty much no point appealing or disputing anything because long story short they just no longer need you there.
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Can you document your attempts at contact?

If not you're screwed.


The question that comes to my mind is why, after a few weeks of no work, weren't you standing in the supervisor's office handling this face-to-face?

It appears that until you got the 'letter' that you weren't really that unhappy about not having to go to work...


Because whenever I'd go in, the relevant person wasn't there and my message was just constantly being passed along.
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It could just be that they are overspending on wages and are looking to cut employees loose to save money, in these cases contracts like yours are the easiest to scrap. If that's the case there's pretty much no point appealing or disputing anything because long story short they just no longer need you there.


This. My store is pretty much always overspent on wages, and seasonals are the first to be cut each week. If the personnel manager isn't there when you go in, speak to every other manager you see for hours, usually you'll get some if you aren't picky about which department.
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#34
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It's not really that different to at will employment.

There's no obligation to provide work and so the employer can effectively dismiss someone for whatever reason they see fit by not giving them hours.

I thought you'd love contracts like that.

I get more enjoyment out of telling unwanted people they are unwanted.

What is the point of a contract then?
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Just because I'm detecting a bit of a tone in your post here I should probably clarify a couple of points for TS (as I have friends who also work on this type of contract).

Seasonal contracts are pretty common across supermarkets. They give you a contract which only obliges you to a few hours per year and then whenever you're in town you're kept on the books so they can use you. This isn't TS being spoilt and wanting his employer to bend over backwards, it's them not responding when they are the ones that offer this kind of common contract. I don't really know why you're insisting he get a "actual job" when there is a fairly commonly offered alternative far more in his favour.

But this issue in the thread isn't just TS complaining about his employer not just doing what he wants, it's that they're threatening to fire him and saying he is not fulfilling his contracted hours when it is them that are not letting him do so. He is being held responsible and risking having being fired on his CV for something he is doing quite the opposite of.

No no, no tone intended, and this reply is mega-late. I get part time hours and contract work for holidays when places are short staffed - I've done that before, and it's good to have when you can, but it's inconsistent. Didn't suggest he was spoiled either - so if it came across that way, my bad, but what I mean by 'actual' job is a job that he works with hours in shifts on a regular schedule, as in not temp work or holiday contracting.

And I get that it's unfair too, but these sorts of problems are generally less frequent in a job where you pull in regular hours on schedule, which is why I suggested it.

And TS I read your other post, but I'm not gonna go back to re-quote, so I'll reply here. I get that it's hard, and doing a 9-5 leaves you little time, but you can do it, depending on how important it is to you. Not easy, mind you, but it is completely possible.
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