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What are some bands where the rhythm guitarist is better than the lead. One I think is Metallica, James Hetfield is obviously better at rhythm than Kirk but on the rare occasions when he solo's, they're usually better than Kirks too, Kirk has a tendency to go off key and uses wah too much, any more ?
#2
define better

technical?
songwriting?
"feeling?"

what are we on about?

in general i find lead guitarists to be boring and write generic boring stuff that all more or less sounds the same.

Doherty is a better guitarist than Carl Barat in terms of writing interesting stuff (The Libertines.)

that's all I can think of really.
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Slash's band.
Sometimes Myles plays rhythm guitar and he's kinda better.
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define better

technical?
songwriting?
"feeling?"

what are we on about?

Just all round better.
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Just all round better.


what's "better?

define it ffs.
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James is still a shit lead guitarist, he has that out of tune noob vibrato like Kirk.

in terms of songwriting, he used to be a god

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in terms of songwriting, he used to be a god

and justice for all is an amazing album

It is, I still wish they would remix it already and turn up the bass.
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It is, I still wish they would remix it already and turn up the bass.


Yeah dude I've wondered why they haven't done this already.
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playing out of key doesn't make you a bad soloist.

If you're playing in A maj and you use the Amin pentatonic box shape, you are playing out of key. The entire blues genre is built upon the superimposition of maj/min 3rds and 7ths. Some of the most interesting music is highly chromatic.
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define better

technical?
songwriting?
"feeling?"

what are we on about?

in general i find lead guitarists to be boring and write generic boring stuff that all more or less sounds the same.

Doherty is a better guitarist than Carl Barat in terms of writing interesting stuff (The Libertines.)

that's all I can think of really.

Who used to write what parts? I love the main riff in Death On The Stairs, but of course it's the fact that is keeps on repeating and repeating over the chord progression that makes the whole thing. Oh, and the Time For Heroes solo is spectacular.

In fact I love the entire first album, but I wasn't so keen on the follow up, and anything either Carl or Pete have done since hasn't spiked my interest much. Except for There She Goes, but that was an old song, wasn't it?

EDIT: Oh, oh: France. That was Carl's song wasn't it? Good stuff.
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Alter Bridge is one of those bands that I wanted to like but couldn't, I've tried listening to them loads but just can't get into them, Myles is a great singer though, seen him in March with Slash.


I tried them as well, and almost all of their songs have that one part with an awesome guitar riff, or a great solo, but then the rest of the song is lackluster.
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Who used to write what parts? I love the main riff in Death On The Stairs, but of course it's the fact that is keeps on repeating and repeating over the chord progression that makes the whole thing. Oh, and the Time For Heroes solo is spectacular.

In fact I love the entire first album, but I wasn't so keen on the follow up, and anything either Carl or Pete have done since hasn't spiked my interest much. Except for There She Goes, but that was an old song, wasn't it?

EDIT: Oh, oh: France. That was Carl's song wasn't it? Good stuff.


Down in Albion is by far Pete's best work and I'd rate it as one of the best albums ever written.

Death on the Stairs might be Carl yes. But the shit in songs like Carry On Up the Morning or more or less anything on Down in Albion is a lot more interesting and cool imo.

and I never liked Carl Barat's singing that much. Seems forced and without a flow.

I like all of the stuff Pete's done. Down in Albion the most, then his solo album and Up the Bracket about the same and then the rest about as much.

Lost Art of Murder (last song on Shotter's Nation) is his best song ever written though. Masterpiece through and through.
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Down in Albion is by far Pete's best work and I'd rate it as one of the best albums ever written.

Death on the Stairs might be Carl yes. But the shit in songs like Carry On Up the Morning or more or less anything on Down in Albion is a lot more interesting and cool imo.

and I never liked Carl Barat's singing that much. Seems forced and without a flow.

I like all of the stuff Pete's done. Down in Albion the most, then his solo album and Up the Bracket about the same and then the rest about as much.

Lost Art of Murder (last song on Shotter's Nation) is his best song ever written though. Masterpiece through and through.


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#25
this topic sucks... if a guitarist is "better" at playing guitar (technique) he is probably the lead guitarist. but who the hell really cares. i think having a rhythm guitarist is not a good thing UNLESS he/she is also the singer.
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this topic sucks... if a guitarist is "better" at playing guitar (technique) he is probably the lead guitarist. but who the hell really cares. i think having a rhythm guitarist is not a good thing UNLESS he/she is also the singer.


why would he?

lead is for posh people who jsut wanna solo relentlessly. most "lead guitarists" are the worst part of music in most rock/metal bands.
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why would he?

lead is for posh people who jsut wanna solo relentlessly. most "lead guitarists" are the worst part of music in most rock/metal bands.


so true and thats why those band suck. i mean a lead guitarist shouldn't be some one just playing and waiting for his solo moment. i mean i have a band and my singer is also a guitarist(acoustic). so i basically play lead guitar but i don't feel like one i guess because i do also song writing en i write the rhythm progressions in my band and some times i do a 'solo'. all i'm trying to say is that it doesn't really matter who is what. just do whats best for the band and it's sound. If you have a guitarist in your band that's doing a solo every minute of the entire setlist he is probably a ****** who's not even a good player but just someone trying to show off...

edit: and most of the time a rhythm guitarist is just standing there playing the chords that someone assigned to him.
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playing out of key doesn't make you a bad soloist.

If you're playing in A maj and you use the Amin pentatonic box shape, you are playing out of key. The entire blues genre is built upon the superimposition of maj/min 3rds and 7ths. Some of the most interesting music is highly chromatic.


Thank you!

I don't really have much to contribute, I don't believe there's any objective way of measuring musical 'quality', and I don't listen to enough bands where the rhythm/lead guitar dynamic is set in stone, so I don't have any personal preferences. I'm just glad someone knows their shit.
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Was about to say Exodus since I never found their solos interesting, until I realized this

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Protest The Hero.

According to their singer and their lead guitarist, the rhythm guitarist is the overall technically better guitar player out of the two, but since their lead player writes most of the leads, he plays them.
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Frusciante plays both very well, at the same time.
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Douche.
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Yeah dude I've wondered why they haven't done this already.

There are third party remasters floating around of the first four albums. I can't listen to the original anymore.
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#37
Depends. The best blends are usually who have their own strengths and weaknesses.

For example, I'd rather have a rhythm guitarist with a mastery of chords and different picking techniques but does rather sloppy solos and a lead guitarist that knows scales and is an incredible soloist but struggles when it comes to intricate chords. That way the two roles are more "equal"
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