#1
I am just curious to see what you all think.

Also, this is intended for sub-$1000?

I realize there is an infinite number of variables, for example shipping temperature change and handling, etc.

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I really don't, for two main reasons, first reason being I set up every guitar i get, and secondly because in business nothing is free, and i would prefer to have something else upgraded.

However i DO expect it to be fully playable.
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#2
I agree, playable yes, set up not really as it's really a waste in my opinion. Since every player likes his/her guitar set up differently and use multiple tunings and string gauges it's impossible to make everyone perfect anyway just wastes resources.
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I agree, playable yes, set up not really as it's really a waste in my opinion. Since every player likes his/her guitar set up differently and use multiple tunings and string gauges it's impossible to make everyone perfect anyway just wastes resources.


That is pretty much 100% where I am at.

the main reason for this thread is that over the last while I have been thinking about all these threads and reviews.

what I really don't like the setup to be seen as lower quality. It really isn't. IMO
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#5
Everyone has a different idea of a proper set-up. They should all be playable when purchased new.
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Playable? Yes. Properly set up? No, too many variables (change in humidity, taste...). If I buy new guitar I always take the guitar to a tech for a string change and setup.

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#8
I expect it set up to be playable, but not set up to the way I like. Pretty much going to be the consensus I think.
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I expect it set up to be playable, but not set up to the way I like. Pretty much going to be the consensus I think.

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#10
I think that is world record time for a consensus regarding anything subjective.

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#11
I think new guitars should be set up competently from the factory with standard measurements, but it's unreasonable to expect that they are going to be set up exactly the way you want them. They always use lighter gauges than i use, so i always have to set up every guitar i buy.

Guitar stores should offer to set up guitars the way the customers want when they buy them. If i owned a guitar store i would do that.
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#13
agree with basically playable. as mentioned what works for me isn't gonna work for a shredder who likes super low action. the other thing these days is tuning. with all the low tuning it would be tough to work that out as well. I usually can judge whether a guitar just plays like crap or just needs a setup to be good. that comes with experience which not everyone has. kind of a no win situation.
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... Guitar stores should offer to set up guitars the way the customers want when they buy them. If i owned a guitar store i would do that.


My GC sets up guitars over and equal $1000. But its a general setup, not to your specs. They won't even barter with a setup.

A small shop around here set up everything.
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I do not believe that guitars should be set up.
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#17
I agree that guitar shops should set them up, but I've found many times that there is generally only one person in the store (mostly GC) that does it. If that person isn't there then I would much rather do it myself, as a lot of associates have no idea how to do a proper set up. So, falling in line with everyone else, should be playable but set up is always unique to the user.
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#18
Guitars should have a set-up from the factory absolutly , maybe call it a base line to avoid confusion ..... most likely its not what you want but it should have some kind of "standardized set up " before it hits the door ..... sure change string height and strings , balance the pickups to meet your needs , but they should for sure have some kind of standard factory set up for a good base line .... if its set up nice from the factory it should only take minor tweaking to get where you want it
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I think new guitars should be set up competently from the factory with standard measurements, but it's unreasonable to expect that they are going to be set up exactly the way you want them. They always use lighter gauges than i use, so i always have to set up every guitar i buy.

Guitar stores should offer to set up guitars the way the customers want when they buy them. If i owned a guitar store i would do that.


Pretty much that.
#20
Depends.

It's odd cause when guitars are hand made like PRS, t check them before they go out, as in they prolly set them up to check them out, then ship.

It's not like after the guitar is good they going to lower pups and random strings for no reason.

It would also be in their best interest to get a guitar set up right for a wall in a shop, so they sound at their best, and are uniform is potential more sale.

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#21
Funny story.....this is the method Gibson uses when setting up the bridge on their pricier models....I don´t know if this is the same with most models.

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#22
At the very least they should be playable with reasonable action an hold their tune. It also depends on the price point. I'd imagine a customer buying a $2000 guitar will get a better setup than someone buying low end.

The guitars boxed in starter kits w/an amp, etc... not so much.

GC setups suck anyway. You should learn to do it yourself but if not, establish a relationship with a legitimate luthier.
#23
^ what if he/she's married, though?
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#24
I'd take a factory guitar that had horrible action, high nut, bad intonation and bad neck relief and good fret dress over moderately setup guitars with bad frets
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I think new guitars should be set up competently from the factory with standard measurements, but it's unreasonable to expect that they are going to be set up exactly the way you want them. They always use lighter gauges than i use, so i always have to set up every guitar i buy.

Guitar stores should offer to set up guitars the way the customers want when they buy them. If i owned a guitar store i would do that.

I fully agree with this, esp if you're spending over $500 or so. Every guitar store should have a competent tech. I've demo'd hundreds of guitars, & there're sometimes
serious tolerance issues between identical models, which is why I rarely buy a guitar I haven't played. It differs between manufacturers...Ibanez, Schecter, & Jackson guitars almost always seem to be nicely set up, the MIA Strats also. I bought my Gibson Flying V sight unseen from MF many years ago, & it was perfect (for me) right out of the box. Non-USA Strats, Epiphones, some ESPs, etc seem to vary a lot in playability IMO, but as many have said, playability is very subjective. To me, a properly set up guitar strung with .011" gauge strings & higher action is virtually unplayable.
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I think new guitars should be set up competently from the factory with standard measurements, but it's unreasonable to expect that they are going to be set up exactly the way you want them. They always use lighter gauges than i use, so i always have to set up every guitar i buy.

Guitar stores should offer to set up guitars the way the customers want when they buy them. If i owned a guitar store i would do that.

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Depends.

It's odd cause when guitars are hand made like PRS, t check them before they go out, as in they prolly set them up to check them out, then ship.

It's not like after the guitar is good they going to lower pups and random strings for no reason.

It would also be in their best interest to get a guitar set up right for a wall in a shop, so they sound at their best, and are uniform is potential more sale.

At the shop I work, all guitars are given a setup before they go on the wall, and we will set it up to your liking when you buy it if you want something more done, and if you don't have it done, but come back in a month with a setup complaint we'll still do that first free setup.

Incidentally, tomorrow I'll be starting a in depth setup guide that sprung out of me doing large amounts of work to one of my les pauls, watch this space
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#28
I don't expect the guitar to be perfectly set-up, because I downtune often. Because of that, I automatically change strings, and I have to set up the guitar anyways.

But on the other hand, it's easier to re-set up a guitar which was set-up earlier, than downtune a guitar which was set up badly.
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At the shop I work, all guitars are given a setup before they go on the wall, and we will set it up to your liking when you buy it if you want something more done, and if you don't have it done, but come back in a month with a setup complaint we'll still do that first free setup.

Incidentally, tomorrow I'll be starting a in depth setup guide that sprung out of me doing large amounts of work to one of my les pauls, watch this space


THAT is a good shop. wish i had one like this around here. i set up all of my guitars, so that isn't a big deal to me, but IMO that is pride for a store. and much more likely to get and maintain my business.

half the stores around here have rusty strings and it makes it hard to enjoy trying a guitar.

everytime i go to GC, if i find something i like and the strings are shit, i bring it over to the tech guy and tell them it needs to be restrung. he is a nice guy, but i don't think he likes it, but in the end they are better off paying 10 minutes in labor and whatever a pack of strings costs at their price. i really don't care if it pisses any of them off, i would just call the general manager and complain.
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#30
I know you're being rhetorical trashedlostfdup, but this question pisses me off a bit...

I mean... what is "setup". We have established that setup is subjective. So it's already known that there is basically no such thing as "being set up", because that is something that's different for everyone.

So what's the alternative? If you put strings on a guitar and tune it, you can play it. The scale of how different the setup is from what you like seems pretty damn arbitrary to me. Super high action doesn't make the guitar "not set up", you can still play it even if you don't like it.

I mean... the only possible way a guitar could not be set up is if the action was so low that the strings were digging into the frets, and you physically could not play notes. Outside of that scenario, I think this entire argument is pointless and ridiculous.
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#31
Maybe I should have been more clear. I think but didn't address for a reason is that from online stores from the factory and extending to stores that throw them up on a wall. The question i was asking was derived from several bad reviews stating that the lacked 'quality' or something similar was bad because he just had fret buzz. I don't read reviews for the info, unless it is somebody i know, strictly for entertainment when i am bored and the forums are slow.

Setup i am referring to would be out of the box tune up and be enjoying to play with some comfort for a short while. i KNOW everybody likes their guitars set up in a certain way.
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#32
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I know you're being rhetorical trashedlostfdup, but this question pisses me off a bit...

I mean... what is "setup". We have established that setup is subjective. So it's already known that there is basically no such thing as "being set up", because that is something that's different for everyone.


Shops usually have a setup menu...

For example... http://www.thirdcoastguitar.com/prices/2009-guitar-repair-pricing-guide/

"Set-ups include diagnostics, redressing and buffing frets, cleaning fret board, tightening hardware, restring, adjusting nut slots, truss rod adjustment, balancing tremolo, adjusting action, setting intonation, checking electronics, adjusting pick ups, detail and cleaning. Electro/acoustics get balance of output, and archtops have bridge located and taped."