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#1
Just joined the forum (just started to learn to play) and have read some of the posts about small watt tube amps. Live in a small apartment and was wondering if there is really such a thing as a 1 watt tube amp that can be pushed in a small place that will break up at low volumes. From what I have read, it appears that I would have to turn up anything 5 watts or more pretty loud to achieve the necessary volume to get any distortion, and I do not have the ability to get too darn loud here, although I would like too. If there are such animals, can you give me some ideas what to check out. I really appreciate your knowledge and assistance. In case it helps, I enjoy older blues and 60's, early 70's rock. I have a Fender Frontman 10 watt that really does not do much for me. I got it with a Squire Affinity Strat, but recently purchased a MIM Strat, so I would like to upgrade my amp also. I need it solely for playing at home. If, I mean when, I get good enough to gig I will look at a larger amp.
#2
I was just looking at the Blackheart BH5-112 and the VHT Special 6 Ultra the other day. Might want to look into them. Low wattage and 12" speakers (hard to find together, unfortunately).
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#3
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Also look at these:
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#4
the VHT special 6 is a cool little amp. i played with one for a while and would pickup one myself to play mess around with.

iirc, its on turret board (really easy to mod).

1 watt mic'd dimed at 1 watt would put you near 100db (for example a Celestion Vinage 30)

surprisingly 1 watt is loud.

however you will not have headroom (so you can hold cleans longer typically the higher wattage the more clean you get.
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#5
Bugera V5 tube amp sounded decent at the GC the other day ... also check out the Ibanez TSA5 is a nice little tube amp with a built in Tube Screamer , they sound nice at low volume for not blowing out the windows or PO'ing the neighbors
#6
i may have missed, but what is your budget? in whatever currrency or or USD/AUD/EUR,etc
where you located (US if so what is your local craigslist, overseas i don't know what)?


look up 311, he has one of the smaller blackheart amps. he is a good guy and does pretty nice clips.

have you looked for an interface for a computer so you an play through headphones? link 6 pod 500 would be great for something like that. another benefit of the pod 500 is that you could directly plug in to the mixer.

just a thought.
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Also look at these:
Vox AC4c1
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Laney Cub
Badcat Cougar 5watt
Fender Champ


AC4 is such an overpriced amp IMO.
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#8
Blackstar HT-1R(1 watt). It has a nice overdrive at low volumes. You can also plug in headphones and has an mp3/line input. Emulated output for recording also.
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#9
Have not thought about a budget, although $300 or so would probably be about the range I would like to be in. I trully appreciate all the guidance you gents have given me. I will look forward to checking your suggestions out in the near future.
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AC4 is such an overpriced amp IMO.

The AC4c1 is different than the AC4, it is basically a 4 watt AC15 with a 10" speaker
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#11
Tras- I use a set of Bose headphones now when I want to play a little louder. I would like to get something that has a little better tone and character than the Frontman 10W that I have now.
#12
If you don't want amps with lots of options, the Blackheart BH-1 together with a cheap cab would do pretty nice - if you can find a relatively good and cheap cab.

Keep your eyes peeled for harley benton vintage cabs, those are good for the money.

It seems to me though that you just want to be able to get some good distorted tones from your amp even at low volumes, which is not necessarely the same thing as wanting a small wattage tube amp.

Basically, if you want power tube distortion you want a small wattage amp while if you want phase inverter distortion, usually referred to as preamp distortion, you just need a master volume amp - one with both gain and volume controls.

If it's the first case, again, up for the BH1.
If it's the second case, a Bugera V22 is a very nice amp for the price - you can probably find one used for $300 or less.
If you don't know what you want search some more information about that.
If you don't want or are not able to understand more about the argument, go with the second in my opinion.
The sound is not better nor worst - it's different, but the second case is waaaay more convenient: you get more volume, you get more clean headroom, and you get a nice distorted tone at low volumes, too.
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#13
Spambot- If I understand correctly, and I don't know if I really do, if I were to get an amp with more wattage like the Bugera 22, you would be required to kick the volume up higher in order for the tubes to break up and get that distortion, which might not be an option where I live. Please correct me if I am wrong. I will be going to my brothers this weekend and his son is an excellent player with several amps and different guitars, so I will check out what his sound is like and pick his brain. He is the one that has pointed me in the direction of a tube amp. He wants me to get a Blues Jr, but I am thinking that I would need to have the volume up too high to take advantage of the amps abilities. That is why I was thinking more along the lines of a small watt tube amp that I could push the volume some and take advantage of the tone you can get out a tube amp at higher volumes. Yours and everyone elses post have been very helpful with my amp knowlrdge and possible choices. Please don't hesitate to comment further.
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#14
What about getting an od/distortion pedal for crunch at low volumes?

I have a modded Epiphone Valve Jr that has an added gain knob so it can get crunchy at very low volumes. That may be a way to go if you know how to do it or you can have a tech do it. I paid $100 for the amp, $40 for the mod and $45 for the RCA and JJ tubes, so $185 and I've had it for bout 4 years now with no problems whatsoever. I still use a pedal for crunch though. Just an idea though, there are better options within your budget.
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#16
The thing is, Mike, that you basically can get distortion even at low volumes if your amp has both a gain and volume knob, but usually lower wattage amps don't have both because they are designed with the idea that you can crank it in mind.

Most bigger amps have a gain knob too, which in short is volume number 1.
Then you have volume number 2, which is the actual volume.
Cranking the first volume while keeping the second low will result in distortion as much as cranking just the second or both would, though the sound would be a bit different.

The thing is, in short - if you see that an amp has both a "volume" and a "gain" knob, ou can obtain distortion at low volume levels raising the gain and lowering the volume.
The good thing here is that bigger amps can produce more volume, so say a Bugera V22 could produce both distorted tones at low volumes and clean tones at higher volumes.
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#17
^ yep, exactly.

Now- some players prefer power tube distortion, so if you do, then a lower wattage amp might be a better idea (though it's worth pointing out that even low wattage amps are very loud to crank, probably too loud for most home situations). But if you don't care, then higher wattage combined with a preamp gain control is often a better idea that gives you more options- better suited to home playing while also being better-suited to live playing.
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#18
I'd suggest the Fender SCXD. IMO power tube distortion from a 1 watt tube amp is nothing impressive. They lack the balls to deliver strong bass, and most tubes in a one watt amp are just odd ball or preamp tubes adapted to a power stage. Not the same power tubes associated with the power tube distortion heard when artists perform live.

Most low volume distortion is generated in pedals or the preamp. Low volume is aurally lacking compared to a loud amp, and all the power tube distortion in the world isn't going to fix that. I'd way rather have a more powerful clean amp that I could put pedals in front of than a 1 watt amp. The SCXD is versatile enough to give you that plus has built in effects and some very good modeled preamp distortion tones.
#19
i'd tend to agree with that.
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#20
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look up 311, he has one of the smaller blackheart amps. he is a good guy and does pretty nice clips.

Thanks dude but my clips are not near as good as yours and others here. Also, I only had one Blackheart clip and it has a rock/blues vibe in my profile. I think something like that would be good for the TS.

That said, I'm going to mostly* agree with what fly135 is saying. I agree with most all of that 90% and I often provide the same advice. I also agree that the SuperChamp XD would be an excellent choice. *My only real disagreement would be that you can sometimes preserve some low end if you have the right setup (cab etc) (see below). Also, I am from the camp that wants most of their distortion from the amp and not hitting a clean amp with pedals.

My general advice is don't let the watts of an amp be the determining factor. The architecture, tone stack, features, voicing, controls, quality, builder intent, tubes used, etc have a greater impact on the tone and your happiness (and even acceptable volume) than just the number of watts.

3 quick examples for you involving 3 of my amps:

1.) Blackheart 1 watt amp. Low watt, 1 control (volume ), simple, uses 2 -12AX7 Chinese tubes, a bit fizzy and muddy through its original 112 cab. Now - replace the tubes with JJs, hit the front end with a clean boosting OD pedal, turn the guitar volume back a bit, and run it into a decent 212 cab/speakers and BAM. Good tone at low volumes.

2.) Splawn Quick Rod. High watts (100), multi-channel, multi-featured, somewhat finicky, awesome parts, build quality, trannys, tubes, etc. Now - pull two power tubes and run at half power, EQ pedal in the loop, volume pedal in the loop, gain on 1pm, volume on 9am and BOOM. Good tone at low volumes.

3.) Vypyr Tube 60. Medium watts (60), hybrid modeling amp, multi-featured, cheaper Chinese tubes, decent parts and quality, decent speaker. Now - find a amp model and effect(s) you like, and use the Pre Gain, Post Gain, and Volume controls to get you virtually any combination of tones at any volume and POW. Good tone at low volumes.

Point being, you work with what you have and there is no one good answer.

If you mainly play classic rock then a cranked power section is sometimes more desirable. "That" tone by in large came from high volume power tube saturation. If that is the tone you are going for and cleans are not that important then a low watt all tube amp may be perfect for you. If you don't mind preamp distortions (most all modern amps operate this way), really good cleans, and more features, then a higher watt modern amp might suit you better while still pulling off your classic rock/blues tone. Maybe a hybrid modeller would give you everything you need and more.

Here is clip of my Blackheart 1w that I did recently doing some metal riffs. It is slightly muddy and buzzy but it held up pretty well and still has a fair amount of low end.

http://s545.photobucket.com/user/buckethead_311/media/NAD/MVI_7543_zps11f41353.mp4.html

Now some will say, "but 311 that sounds muddy and undefined what gives". Well, that may be true but keep in mind that is a 1 watt amp doing metal riffs using a cheap digital camera. It has cheap chinese tubes in it, no OD pedal and the volume is cranked. If I implemented some of the fixes I mentioned above - I could get a better tone out of it.
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#21
My Laney VC30 sounds just fine at bedroom levels. The overdrive sound you get with just the gain knob is very good (at least for low gain sounds - it gets a bit fizzy with the gain cranked so I keep the gain at 7, maybe an OD pedal could help at achieving higher gain sounds at lower levels). The volume doesn't need to be cranked. And at bedroom volumes it sounds just fine. I actually never really turn the volume control past 1 (I would say the volume increase on my amp from 1 to 2 is the biggest - after that it doesn't even get that much louder). Not every amp is like that, some need to be turned a bit louder (I tried a Marshall VM that sounded really fizzy at bedroom levels and I had to turn it up pretty loud to get good tones out of it).

But the thing is, you don't need power tube break up to sound good. I think too many people just jump on the band wagon ("tube amps don't sound good unless you crank them").

The best thing to do is to try a couple of tube amps and see how they sound at bedroom levels. Remember that this doesn't have to do with the wattage. There are some 100 watt amps that sound awesome at bedroom levels and some 20 watt amps that sound terrible at bedroom levels. You need to try the amp to find it out. But high wattage doesn't necessarily mean bad bedroom tones. Higher wattage just means that you can achieve cleaner sounds at higher volumes. So your clean channel stays clean at gigging volumes.

IMO my Laney VC30 sounds really good at bedroom levels and a lot better than almost any solid state or modeling amp that I have tried at any level. I'm really happy with it. Actually a Laney VC30 could fit you pretty well. But remember to try it first. (Though it might be that it doesn't fit your budget, though I got mine for €280 used.)
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#22
311- my focus will be blues mostly with classic rock mixed in. Have you any experience with any of the modelers- Mustang, Vyper, Cube, and if so what do you think? This can be answered by anyone that knows about these, because that was my first thought when I started thinking about an amp upgrade.
Maggar- I am definitely going to look into the Laney along with the others. I am also going to check out pedals.
I hope to get a good education down at my brothers this weekend, but you guys have presented me with a wealth of knowledge already and I have learned a lot. Along with all of your recommendations to check out, I appreciate all the knowledge you have passed on to me. I already feel better prepared to go out and conduct a semi-intelligent search. It is always a better feeling walking into a store armed with some knowledge so the salesperson is not able to sell you what he wants to, instead of what you want. I am not opposed to buy used either. I will just have to learn what to look for in used equipment so I don't buy someone's problem.
Once again I thank everyone for their help. You have made it a very pleasant introduction to the forum.
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311- my focus will be blues mostly with classic rock mixed in. Have you any experience with any of the modelers- Mustang, Vyper, Cube, and if so what do you think? This can be answered by anyone that knows about these, because that was my first thought when I started thinking about an amp upgrade.
Maggar- I am definitely going to look into the Laney along with the others. I am also going to check out pedals.
I hope to get a good education down at my brothers this weekend, but you guys have presented me with a wealth of knowledge already and I have learned a lot. Along with all of your recommendations to check out, I appreciate all the knowledge you have passed on to me. I already feel better prepared to go out and conduct a semi-intelligent search. It is always a better feeling walking into a store armed with some knowledge so the salesperson is not able to sell you what he wants to, instead of what you want. I am not opposed to buy used either. I will just have to learn what to look for in used equipment so I don't buy someone's problem.
Once again I thank everyone for their help. You have made it a very pleasant introduction to the forum.


Here's an amp shootout where you can try and get a feel for how these types of amps sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erKaCn2wgLw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcXSmBXylWQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q19yyP7hTMY
#24
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Thanks dude but my clips are not near as good as yours and others here. Also, I only had one Blackheart clip and it has a rock/blues vibe in my profile. I think something like that would be good for the TS.


TBH i didn't check your BH1 clips, but you generally do a lot well. the main thing is that you know very much about the gear you have and i am unfamilliar with it. i figured "311 played it and owns one, and he know his shit, which you did and helped him out.

i still am amazed by your attention to those renegade clips. it was low volume and my wife's iphone (3 IIRC back then). just tried it a few times and posted best. i haven't even owned a renegade in at least three years and i think i had it less than a year too.

my playing is extremely dated. i just don't have a better way to record now or i would. i have a mic and an interface but no computers set up for anything close to that, or recent enough. i am on vista now. lol. i just need a good computer.

back to OP sorry for hijack.
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#25
You know, I really like the Rebel 20 and Tweaker 15. I only had a little bit to play with the Tweaker when I tried it, but this Rebel 20 of mine, it hits it. Sounds just fine at low volumes, too.\

The Rebel even has a "Watts" control, which lowers the headroom. Though I think it's a bit mislabeled to be "Watts".

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#26
I like the Egnater products as well. The Tweaker and the Rebel are really decent.

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Blackfire - posted some good demos.

Mike - I have experience with the Vypyrs. I own a Vypyr 60. See post 20

I was contrasting 3 very different amps that I own. A used Vypyr 60 might be something to consider. I got mine for $300. Honestly, for mostly blues and some classic rock - I think an all tube amp will suite you better. The Blackhearts, Egnaters, Traynors, Laneys, Crate Vs, Marshall Class 5, Fender Blues Jr or SuperChamp* etc is probably what you want.

*SuperChamp is a hybrid modeller.

Here is my one and only bluesy'ish clip
http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/311ZOSOVHJH/music/play798828
#27
those 5 w. bugera´s sound really nice. They have an attenuator so you can choose from 5-1w giving you max. tube distortion at the lowest of volumes. I tried one with a strat and an es335 copy and they really do that blues tone quit well and same goes for Classic rock. The reverv is "OK" but that´s why god invented pedals. they´re pretty cheap (here in Europé but really rich tone wise! (man I should right their slogans)

my lead just recently purchase a ht5...they sound really good and get can get loud when needed!!! Just a word of warning....after reading about all the issues they´ve had with their transistors on the board I´d really be carefull and stear clear of 2011--2012 models and buy 2013 with a 3 year warranty
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#29
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The Bugeras and Blackstars have good tone but I personally would not buy one.

Bugera - because they are a shady company with poor QC
Blackstar - because they are a shady company

Everyone can make up their own mind though

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#30
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1.) Blackheart 1 watt amp. Low watt, 1 control (volume ), simple, uses 2 -12AX7 Chinese tubes, a bit fizzy and muddy through its original 112 cab. Now - replace the tubes with JJs, hit the front end with a clean boosting OD pedal, turn the guitar volume back a bit, and run it into a decent 212 cab/speakers and BAM. Good tone at low volumes.

2.) Splawn Quick Rod. High watts (100), multi-channel, multi-featured, somewhat finicky, awesome parts, build quality, trannys, tubes, etc. Now - pull two power tubes and run at half power, EQ pedal in the loop, volume pedal in the loop, gain on 1pm, volume on 9am and BOOM. Good tone at low volumes.

3.) Vypyr Tube 60. Medium watts (60), hybrid modeling amp, multi-featured, cheaper Chinese tubes, decent parts and quality, decent speaker. Now - find a amp model and effect(s) you like, and use the Pre Gain, Post Gain, and Volume controls to get you virtually any combination of tones at any volume and POW. Good tone at low volumes.

Damn 311 I now want this shit for every single amp in the world.
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#31
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Damn 311 I now want this shit for every single amp in the world.

Me too

I used to do 'Mini Review' threads if you are interested but nothing recently. I thought about making a big thread or blog for this kind of thing but everyone's opinions are different.
#32
One amp you might want to consider is the Marshall SL5. It has a 12" speaker and both 5W and 1W modes. It seems well thought of, if slightly pricey.
#34
I will be looking at the Marshal SL series for sure and have heard some good things about Pignose, so they will go on the list also.
311- I think it would be a great idea to put together a large post. All of the new players would benefit from it greatly, as I have. Alot of new learners come to the site and join up here just like I have. It is a great source of knowledge here on the forums for us to take advantage of.
#35
Pretty steep price at $700 for the Marshall SL5, nice lil amp not sure about the price though.
#36
I'd look at the 15 watt Laney Tony Iommy combo over the SL5.

The SL5 is high priced for what it is IMO
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#37
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311- I think it would be a great idea to put together a large post. All of the new players would benefit from it greatly, as I have. Alot of new learners come to the site and join up here just like I have. It is a great source of knowledge here on the forums for us to take advantage of.

Yeah, I've considered it. I'm honestly not that great at reviewing things though. And like I said, everyone's tastes are different. If we could figure out a productive way to make a GGnA type thread that does that it might work. Not sure.

something like this perhaps?
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=986313
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#38
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Well it would definitely help to write a bit about how amps technically work, like what a master volume is, and what is the part of the preamp that distorts the signal if you turn the gain up and the volume down, and how your everyday 100w amp isn't as loud as the AC30 and why.

I'd love to help you a bit with that if you feel like you could use some help!

Also, hell yeah my amp has got two green cells and just one red one
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#40
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Like this?:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=278232

Top of page 6 in the Resource sticky.

Wow, I should look around more often...
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