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I'm looking for an amp that I can get a good sludgy doomy sound. Any suggestions? I have a cab with 4 v30's and my guitar has a Bareknuckle Aftermath. My price range is anywhere from 0 to about 1000 U.S. dollars.
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#2
Are you looking for something new or are you willing to go used?

I'd go with a JCM800 or something similarly voiced (Peavey VTM, Laney AOR, etc).
#3
Find a used orange. Thunderverb or something like that.
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Find a used orange. Thunderverb or something like that.


The TS's budget is $1000 USD so I assume he is in the US. Even on the used market it can be hard to find an Orange for under a grand.
#7
You may not have thought of this one before, but have you might want to look into a Marshall Mode Four amplifier head. They're kind of an oddity because they were a 350 watt hybrid Marshall with two independent preamps. The second channel of the second preamp is definitely capable of handling a doom metal sound, and the tone matrix knob on it allows you to change the tone of the amp a bit in terms of how the mid range responds, so you get a lot of tonal variation out of one amp. Definitely something I would look into if I were you.
#8
Sunn beta series amps usually run around $500 USD and would definitely work for that. the bass and lead versions are close enough that you would be able to use either (slight tone stack differences is all)

Laney AOR's, like I_am_metalhead suggested, are pretty sweet, and can be had pretty cheap.
#9
Old Bassman and a good fuzz pedal.
TH30 doesn't really do doom. My mate keeps his one at my place, basically it only does thrash well.
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#10
Quote by godgrinder
Old Bassman and a good fuzz pedal.
TH30 doesn't really do doom. My mate keeps his one at my place, basically it only does thrash well.


Sounds doomy to me... It can also do thrash, but not limited to it if you know how to set it up right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8GmFg8PlL8
#11
Quote by Blackfire.
Sounds doomy to me... It can also do thrash, but not limited to it if you know how to set it up right.


That doesn't sound too different from the thrash tone it does really...

I've spent lots of time with the amp, without external help from an EQ pedal or something like that it's quite hard to get a good doom tone out of it due to the shape control design. Turn the shape knob over 12 o'clock and it just does that scooped thrash sound (the 2nd video you posted sounded like that). Works slightly better for doom with the shape knob before 12 o'clock but it hardly has enough lows that way (that's what the 1st video you posted sounded like).

It does an alright stoner tone if you smash the clean channel with a booster/od though.
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#12
Quote by godgrinder
That doesn't sound too different from the thrash tone it does really...

I've spent lots of time with the amp, without external help from an EQ pedal or something like that it's quite hard to get a good doom tone out of it due to the shape control design. Turn the shape knob over 12 o'clock and it just does that scooped thrash sound (the 2nd video you posted sounded like that). Works slightly better for doom with the shape knob before 12 o'clock but it hardly has enough lows that way (that's what the 1st video you posted sounded like).

It does an alright stoner tone if you smash the clean channel with a booster/od though.


That's why you use the EQ as you stated, which makes it capable. But to each his own.
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Quote by Blackfire.
That's why you use the EQ as you stated, which makes it capable. But to each his own.


At the same price (or less) he could buy a much more capable amp for doom, and TH30 isn't even cheap, especially for a Made in China amp.
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Ampeg? Sunn?
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At the same price (or less) he could buy a much more capable amp for doom, and TH30 isn't even cheap.


It has versatility to play other types of music as well, unless the OP has more amps for that which was not stated. And I'm sure it can be easily found compared to some other amps, and it's in his price range.
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Quote by Blackfire.
It has versatility to play other types of music as well, unless the OP has more amps for that which was not stated. And I'm sure it can be easily found compared to some other amps, and it's in his price range.


Versatile is probably the last word I would associate with it.
But it's a goddamn GREAT thrash amp.
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Versatile is probably the last word I would associate with it.
But it's a goddamn GREAT thrash amp.


You got that right. But it also has a nice clean on it which opens it up to more genres. It will need an EQ for sure though.
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#18
My Thunderverb 50 can get a killer doom sound, but finding one under a grand might be a problem :P

I saw a Sunn Model T go on eBay a few months back for like $1100, that'd be pretty bitchin.
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My Thunderverb 50 can get a killer doom sound, but finding one under a grand might be a problem :P


Nice amp!

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I saw a Sunn Model T go on eBay a few months back for like $1100, that'd be pretty bitchin.


That brings up another good point though. We don't know if it's for bedroom use or for gigging. That Model T could blow his bedroom windows out...
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A friend of mine had a Model T reissue, he said the Burn channel on Fender Super Sonic sounded almost identical to the dist channel of Model T reissue. So that might be a good option too. Used Super Sonic 60 seem to be around the $600-700 mark.

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That brings up another good point though. We don't know if it's for bedroom use or for gigging. That Model T could blow his bedroom windows out...


Model T has a 25w/100w switch.
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i have a peavey valveking 100w head that on it's own doesn't doom very well but i found a random DOD fuzz pedal for like $25 at my local brick and mortar that works wonders. barring that, double your budget and get one of these 180w bad boys http://www.greenamps.com/order.html
#23
nice Used options for you lucky US folk

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Laney AOR
Sound City 120L
Sovtek Mig
Ampeg V2/V4
Marshall JCM 800
Fender Silverface Bassman
Fender SUper twin (These are 180w open backed combos. Not the best combination and as a result they are cheap. You get one, turn it into a head and run it through a cab. Bam. 180w Twin for doomin')

So grab one of these or anything similair, plus a wicket fuzz pedal. SOmething like the blackout effectors Musket/Blunderbuss, EQD Hoof, Black arts toneworks Pharoah, Blakemore Deus Ex Machina, Anarchy Audio vagiant, Fredric Green Russian, Red witch Fuzz God 2 or Wren and cuff box of war or tall font russian. Any rams head or russian muff clone will suffice really.

You gon be doomin for days
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Laney AOR 50/100
Sovtek MIG 50/100
Marshall JCM800
Marshall JMP
Orange OR80/120 (I doubt you'll find one <$1000 though)
Krank 1980
Krank Chadwick (series 1 or 2 will work)
Park amp

Your cab will create a big problem if you want a big,loose Stoner sound. V30's are very tight modern sounding speakers, G12h30 type speakers will work much better.

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Laney AOR 50/100
Sovtek MIG 50/100
Marshall JCM800
Marshall JMP
Orange OR80/120 (I doubt you'll find one <$1000 though)
Krank 1980
Krank Chadwick (series 1 or 2 will work)
Park amp

Your cab will create a big problem if you want a big,loose Stoner sound. V30's are very tight modern sounding speakers, G12h30 type speakers will work much better.

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one minute. excellent
but nah you covered the cabs, which I did not, as well as them Kranks, I forgot about them

The Krank guy is Stiff amps now yeah? Does he do a 1980/chadwick reissue type deal?
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one minute. excellent
but nah you covered the cabs, which I did not, as well as them Kranks, I forgot about them

The Krank guy is Stiff amps now yeah? Does he do a 1980/chadwick reissue type deal?

Yeah The Stiff 90-AD is the 1980. The Chadwick is not rebadged, but used they are only $500-$600. There are 2 versions a 1 channel JMPish style head and the 2 channel series 2 which has a great clean and a HR-Plexi type tone. Really good amps if you ever get the chance to try one.
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#27
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So grab one of these or anything similair, plus a wicket fuzz pedal. SOmething like the blackout effectors Musket/Blunderbuss, EQD Hoof, Black arts toneworks Pharoah, Blakemore Deus Ex Machina, Anarchy Audio vagiant, Fredric Green Russian, Red witch Fuzz God 2 or Wren and cuff box of war or tall font russian. Any rams head or russian muff clone will suffice really.


Or a Boss FZ-2 for brutal crushing sonic destruction.

Big clean amp + Hi gain fuzz = the business. My first amp was a 70's local made Bassman clone, used to run FZ-2 or DBA Fuzz War (or both, with FZ-2 in boost mode pushing the Fuzz War) into it, shit was brutal.
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Quote by godgrinder
Or a Boss FZ-2 for brutal crushing sonic destruction.

Big clean amp + Hi gain fuzz = the business. My first amp was a 70's local made Bassman clone, used to run FZ-2 or DBA Fuzz War into it, shit was brutal.



Yeah, you could get like a more straightforward one like a musket and then get a crazy noisey fuzz like the Fz-2 going on. cover some serious ground.


You mind dropping me the name of the local builder of yours? That's if he like makes them somewhat regularly and as a company or whatever. I am just looking for somewhat local options for stuff like that. I have explored all my options here in Aus pretty much.
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Quote by T7E
You mind dropping me the name of the local builder of yours? That's if he like makes them somewhat regularly and as a company or whatever. I am just looking for somewhat local options for stuff like that. I have explored all my options here in Aus pretty much.


For pedal we usually use this guy:
https://www.facebook.com/PepersPedals

There isn't really anyone actively cloning amps here at the moment, I would say have a check at this website and see if you can find some old OZ tube amps for cheap locally:
http://www.ozvalveamps.org/

Quote by T7E
Yeah, you could get like a more straightforward one like a musket and then get a crazy noisey fuzz like the Fz-2 going on. cover some serious ground


FZ-2 does a straightforward muff-ish sound on mode 1 as well, although I have to say it sounds rather mediocre...
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Have you seen the Monster FX Mastortion pedal? That looks like a cool Hi-gain Fuzz
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Quote by godgrinder
For pedal we usually use this guy:
https://www.facebook.com/PepersPedals

There isn't really anyone actively cloning amps here at the moment, I would say have a check at this website and see if you can find some old OZ tube amps for cheap locally:
http://www.ozvalveamps.org/



yeah nah i am absolutely covered for local boutique pedals, have a couple, including an absolutely RAUCOUS double fuzz.

yeah I keep an eye on that website actually, generally for guys making new stuff though, of which there are quite a few, I'm just trying to cover all my bases,


EDIT: oops, confused ozvalveamps with aussieguitargearheads, thanks man
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#32
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Have you seen the Monster FX Mastortion pedal? That looks like a cool Hi-gain Fuzz


Pretty sure it was just an dist/od. I looked into it a while ago since I quite like Mastodon and it seems like it wasn't even in production anymore.
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Quote by godgrinder
Pretty sure it was just an dist/od. I looked into it a while ago since I quite like Mastodon and it seems like it wasn't even in production anymore.

No they are making them still. They claim it is a Hi-gain Fuzz pedal

they sound pretty cool, but I don't spend $200+ on a pedal.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
No they are making them still. They claim it is a Hi-gain Fuzz pedal
they sound pretty cool, but I don't spend $200+ on a pedal.


Did you happen to mix it up with something else? The website said overdrive. I was looking into it last year and I'm pretty sure they didn't say it was a fuzz back then either... And it sounds like it's more on the mid/low gain side.
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#35
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Model T has a 25w/100w switch.

So? Wattage doesn't equal volume. A perfect example being the Vox AC30 (30 watts; Loud as all hell).
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#36
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they sound pretty cool, but I don't spend $200+ on overdrive/fuzz pedals.



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Quote by godgrinder
Did you happen to mix it up with something else? The website said overdrive. I was looking into it last year and I'm pretty sure they didn't say it was a fuzz back then either... And it sounds like it's more on the mid/low gain side.

Your right, they are not making them any more, but you can custom order them. I was checking them out a few weeks ago and there was a website that still had one (or more) in-stock, that's why I thought they were still made.

Did a quick search and the pedal is no longer available.

I saw a video of the owner of Monster and Brent talking about it. One of them referred to it as a hi-gain fuzz

Didn't Sleep use AOR's and the FZ-2 for a while? I know they used the AOR.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
Didn't Sleep use AOR's and the FZ-2 for a while? I know they used the AOR.


Matt Pike used AOR for sure, not sure if he used FZ-2.

Jus Oborn from Electric Wizard uses FZ-2. The other guitarist Liz seems to plug straight into an AOR.

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So? Wattage doesn't equal volume. A perfect example being the Vox AC30 (30 watts; Loud as all hell).


Yes you are right but that really depends on the amp design. Watts for amps usually means the clean headroom they have, but how loud they can get depends on the power output when they are absolutely cranked and that probably varies quite a bit between designs. How good it sounds cranked would have something to do with the perceived usable volume as well.

The 25w mode would still be quieter than the 100w mode for sure. It won't be the "don't wake the baby" volume but it probably won't "blow his bedroom windows out" at least.

But seriously, you came into the wrong thread. Don't really want some second hand regurgitated forum knowledge from someone whose favourite band is Green Day and uses a 20 watt solid state combo.
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#39
Quote by Blackfire.
Not all of them..

all of the ones around his price range. the original 70's model t's, which are completely different amps than the reissues, go for around $14-1500, reissues closer to $1000.
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Quote by godgrinder
A friend of mine had a Model T reissue, he said the Burn channel on Fender Super Sonic sounded almost identical to the dist channel of Model T reissue. So that might be a good option too. Used Super Sonic 60 seem to be around the $600-700 mark.

The Model T Reissue literally sounds nothing like the original.
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