#1
Hey guys I have been playing guitar for a while and started singing a couple months ago but haven't practiced as much as I want too. I would appreciate some feedback , I'm in college and broke so I can't afford lessons until probably the beginning of next year and any tips would really help. The audio is terrible I'm using my iphone and a small amp as a speaker. I'm just singing over the song, sorry. I'm going to buy a mic once I get some money as well.
I still don't know music theory after all these years, I keep trying my way through musictheory.net but I get confused. So if anyone could help me figure out what I'm doing and what my range is that would be helpful too. Thanks.
I have it up on soundcloud here https://soundcloud.com/gonegonzo/rival
#2
Im going to post up some other songs that I have down better. I have a hard time lowering notes, as you can hear in the parts "Siiiiiggn".
#3
It's really hard for us to give you feedback when you're singing over another singer.

Also, that song is not a beginner song. The staccato rhythms are going to make it hard to have good fundamentals. Start out practicing with slower stuff.

And don't ask us to review you based on singing over a version of the song with lyrics.
#4
you have a half decent voice from what i can hear, just untrained. you spread your vowels and push a lot. A better recording would definitely help. Also, don't make excuses for yourself. your voice is what it is, embrace it.

Also, idk why the hell singing staccato would make this song not a beginner song, and its not even staccato...slow and staccato don't even have a correlation.
#5
alright thanks for the advice I will try to embrace the journey. I have two other songs that are slower but they are still over the singers voice. I think I'm going to just try to find instrumental covers on youtube and sing over them.
#6
Quote by Tyson2011


Also, idk why the hell singing staccato would make this song not a beginner song, and its not even staccato...slow and staccato don't even have a correlation.


Uh ...

Yes they do. The constant stop-starts in that song shine a very harsh light on his staccato technique. When singers talk about staccato technique they mean something very specific, and it's what he's doing really badly here.

He needs to practice with songs where notes are held long enough for him to find a full, round tone, with good articulation and projection. If he doesn't have that done when he's trying to sing the really rapid phrases of this it just becomes mush.

You can hear that he's stopping his breath with his throat, rather than using his diaphragm to get those short bursts of sound to start and stop.
#7
Gotta give us something without another singer, it's too easy to copy notes of the singer and your vocals are not smooth. Even though it is fairly staccato it still needs to be sung! It's just untrained but I'd have to hear with just a backing track with a song that has vocals a bit more spread out.
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#8
Quote by HotspurJr
Uh ...

Yes they do. The constant stop-starts in that song shine a very harsh light on his staccato technique. When singers talk about staccato technique they mean something very specific, and it's what he's doing really badly here.

He needs to practice with songs where notes are held long enough for him to find a full, round tone, with good articulation and projection. If he doesn't have that done when he's trying to sing the really rapid phrases of this it just becomes mush.

You can hear that he's stopping his breath with his throat, rather than using his diaphragm to get those short bursts of sound to start and stop.


that very specific technique would be singing in such a way that a note only receives roughly half of its value (a quarter note essentially becomes an eighth note and an eighth rest). he's not singing that, so he's not singing staccato.
#9
update here-- I'm experimenting with audacity to remove the vocals, I'm going to cover The White Stripes, "We're going to be friends" and BRMCs "Love Burns" as I've practiced them the most and they are easier than "Rival".
#10
And if anyone cares, I'm trying to cut down and quite smoking for this because I can feel it working against me.
#11
I can remove the vocals through audacity but the reverb and the wall of distortion makes it come out weird. I think I'm just going to learn the song and sing to it then once I'm comfortable singing it, sing and play at the same time.
#12
It might actually be good for you to record a really simple chord backing track and sing over that. Not having to compete with a full band will probably help you focus on your tone rather than trying to copy the way the band's singer does it.
#13
Ok I did a recording with guitar pro playing a tab in rse , it ends a little short so I am probably going to go back in and try to fix it but for most of the song it is fine. I will try to do the chord back track but I am only use to just following tabs and that is why I am approaching singing the way I do.
#15
Even though I haven't gotten any reply I'm still around. Most of you wont want to hear me sing over a song but I have two recordings up of me covering "We're going to be friends" by The White Stripes. The first is from 3 months ago and the other is a rough one from today. I am still recording with a micro cube as a mono amp and an iphone. I am still lacking the power in my voice that I want.

https://soundcloud.com/gonegonzo/3-months-ago-were-going-to-be
https://soundcloud.com/gonegonzo/today-were-going-to-be-friends
Last edited by GoneGonzo at Oct 22, 2013,
#16
Quote by HotspurJr
It might actually be good for you to record a really simple chord backing track and sing over that. Not having to compete with a full band will probably help you focus on your tone rather than trying to copy the way the band's singer does it.


I decided that I have been pushing the top of my range so I wanted to practice singing lower so I covered The Doors, apparently its Jims birthday today too. Just started practicing this one yesterday so its rough. Im looking for any advice.

The Crystal Ship
#17
Ok, man. You have an ok voice so far, but it seems force and unnatural, still sounds like you are trying to sound like someone else. You are also a little pitchy at times. But the thing that jumps out is that you are constantly going in and out of rhythm... most of the time, you are ahead of the song... then in the slow parts you seem to drag behind.
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#18
Yeah. You need to take some lessons and work on fundamentals before you worry about performance.
#19
Yeah it sounds very forced to me too. I never sang low and I don't know if I should continue trying too or if I should just bring it up. I've taken a lesson so far but I managed to get a job so now I've saved money for continuous lessons. Let's see if they help.
#20
Q. can you hear yourself when your recording?...do you get the whole mix or are you just singing on top of the track
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#21
Quote by Blackst4r
Q. can you hear yourself when your recording?...do you get the whole mix or are you just singing on top of the track


I'm just belting it as best as I can while it plays. I have it playing loud and its coming out of my amp, so its crushed into mono.
#23
Lol thats a crazy idea I might try it but I don't know. I approached the song differently sang a little higher, would you say this sounds more comfortable? Or is it just lacking power? The Crystal Ship 12-21-13
#24
I don't think there's any problem with the power. From my perception of your singing it seems you don't know the song as well as you think you do, and it's affecting your singing. Can you write the rhythm and melody of the vocal line out without listening to it? If you can do that accurately, then you know it.
#25
Your voice sounds a little less forced now, a little more natural... but you still seem like you don't know the rhythm of the song or the melody
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#26
I started with LoveBurns. You don't seem to be able to hold the notes with ease. When you start a note your voice quickly searches for the note and then tails off.

The Crystal Ship is on now. I'm wincing. X(
It's way off key man. It sounds like you're trying to deepen your voice to sing like Jim (and trying to incorporate the reverb into your tone as well. In doing so it sounds nothing like Jim because he doesn't put that artificial tone to his voice to make it sound deep.

You also don't know the notes of the song. The opening notes of the song are Db D E F - "Be fore you slip"

Try playing these notes on a tuned instrument and learning to sing them. Then add the leap up to C and practice that, then add some more notes and some more...until you have the whole song. Then add the words.

Did you do any vocal warm ups before you recorded those?
Do you do daily vocal drills (breathing exercises, scales, tonal exercises, enunciation etc)?
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