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Not sure if this has been posted yet, or if it belongs in another thread. But this is some pretty big news either way, if it's legit.

http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."
#3
so basically a guy is trying to sell a book?
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#4
So there were no actual ancient confessions?
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#6
so i dont have to convert messiah?
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This is hardly the first time that someone has tried to say they (whoever 'they' are) "invented" Jesus.


And I'm sure it won't be the last. Just an atheist trying to make the news and make a quick buck, nothing much to see here.
#10
Even if it said straight up "Jesus is fictional" in those ancient scriptures, people would still believe in Christianity.

And this is nothing close to a straight up confession. Just another person thinking they cracked some code that proves Christianity is fake.
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#11
I blame reddit
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#12
"the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

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Even if it said straight up "The bible is a fictional story" in those ancient scriptures, people still wouldn't believe it.


I had a similar thread about this a while back and most people said something along these lines.

To be fair, there's a bunch of variables to consider with that. How do we know the scripture isn't faked for the publicity? It wouldn't have been written in English, is there anything lost in translation? How do we know that it's not referring to something else (a stretch this one, but still)?
#14
This was a letdown.
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#15
If this were an actual revelation, it would be Hanukkah all year long. The Jews would never let those dumb Christians live it down.
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And I'm sure it won't be the last. Just an atheist trying to make the news and make a quick buck, nothing much to see here.

Mhmmm.

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#17
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Not so much an outright confession, no


Oh so nothing's changed.
#18
imma see if its not too late to turn this into a spider man thread.

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I'm raw, like nature. Nature boy. Big jungle leaves are my cum rags.

Sometimes I fuck a bamboo shoot.


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Just barreling dogs and barking trains
Another year lost to the blue line
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You lost me at "Lubricate."

I'm raw, like nature. Nature boy. Big jungle leaves are my cum rags.

Sometimes I fuck a bamboo shoot.


There's nothing left here to be saved
Just barreling dogs and barking trains
Another year lost to the blue line
#20


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You lost me at "Lubricate."

I'm raw, like nature. Nature boy. Big jungle leaves are my cum rags.

Sometimes I fuck a bamboo shoot.


There's nothing left here to be saved
Just barreling dogs and barking trains
Another year lost to the blue line
#21
Because that article didn't talk about the texts, I was under the impression he would reveal said "ancient texts" during their panel or whatever you call it that they are advertising.
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Because that article didn't talk about the texts, I was under the impression he would reveal said "ancient texts" during their panel or whatever you call it that they are advertising.


#23
Is this like Taxicab Confessions? Jesus bangs Magdaline n shit.
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Jesus Christ almost certainly existed.

This is pretty much what I had to say; however, this idea is the farthest out I'll go to say that maybe he was entirely fabricated. The Roman empire was extremely powerful, and the government was a twisted one where some officials were almost revered as divine. I don't think this is particularly plausible, but it's not inconceivable.
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