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#1
http://m.christianpost.com/news/study-children-of-same-sex-parents-much-less-likely-to-graduate-from-high-school--106213/cpf


What do you think of studies like this? It's very opposite to the pits general view. And I don't know about how much biase you could argue this study has.

What do you think of these results? Would/how would you argue with them?


*edit* granted, it was conducted in Canada, so who knows what's actually going on up there.
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#2
The Christian Post?
The Christian Post?


Yeah I agree.


EDIT: lol Canada
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#3
It's from the Christian Post, so I can't possibly imagine it having any sort of bias whatsoever...
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#5
"christianpost"

thats all I needed to see to know its bullshit
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#6
Well this went better than I thought it would


Although I'm definitely not a Christian or a follower of the christianpost, could somebody's explain or put into words why* the website is so bullshit?
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#8
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Well this went better than I thought it would


Although I'm definitely not a Christian or a follower of the christianpost, could somebody's explain or put into words why* the website is so bullshit?


They belong to a faith that opposes homosexuality. This doesn't automatically make their argument invalid of course, but it does make it not worth looking at. Show us a study from an organization that doesn't have something to gain by proving a downside to homosexuality, and we'll consider actually reading it.
#9
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Well this went better than I thought it would


Although I'm definitely not a Christian or a follower of the christianpost, could somebody's explain or put into words why* the website is so bullshit?

Same reason we wouldn't believe an article about Jews in the nazipost.
#10
I wouldn't actually be particularly surprised if a lack of a male/female influence on a child caused minor problems in development, but I don't trust the source.
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#12
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It's from the Christian Post, so I can't possibly imagine it having any sort of bias whatsoever...

Yes, because the study was clearly done by the Christian Post too...
#13
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Same reason we wouldn't believe an article about Jews in the nazipost.

it's called stormfront*
#14
Well I read and I am studying psychology and sociology (yes im aware il never get a job)

But well the study can be legit it hasn't mentioned numbers of people in this survey. Also take into consideration how they actively do try to discredit LG parents by bring income etc.

What I find funny and this is me putting on my detective hat is that ok lets say we accept that data but they have not explained "Why?" they seem to want to label the parents as the problem rather look into the finer details. LGBT adaption only became legal in Canada 1999 (citation needed) so a child raised from infancy would be 13-15 years old. That's not graduation year is it? So are the children they conducted the survey on been in foster homes for a portion of their life's before adoption? Again these are the finer details that where not considered in this study this study is out to discredit the parents not find a solution. It doesn't even make mention that another issue that has been proved by legit sources is the biggest problem with LGBT raised kides is that they suffer alot of abuse and judgment from other people due to their status of being raised by gay parents. Again never mentioned.

Buts it's christian post ignore that crap.
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Same reason we wouldn't believe an article about Jews in the nazipost.

Yes...because that's an apt comparison.
#16
Whilst it is feasible that having two parents of the same gender might not be as good for a child as one of each, even if true I suspect the effect would be insignificant compared to the many many other variants between parents that we don't take as worthy of discussion.

I suspect children of poor parents don't do as well, but it would be unthinkable to say that poor people shouldn't be allowed kids. Similarly a single parent might not be the ultimate ideal, or angry parents, or parents who work long hours, or people with certain beliefs etc etc etc.

Is it possible that children would develop better with a parent of each gender than both of the same? Maybe. Does it matter? No, of course not. The effect of gender is irrelevant compared to the importance of simply having loving caring parents.

But even regardless of whether it is better or worse for a child to have same sex parents, this doesn't mean same sex couples shouldn't be allowed kids. If people who are quite clearly just not well equipped to have kids, or even are simply bad parents, are allowed to have children, why should we say that any minor effect gender has really matters?
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Well this went better than I thought it would


Although I'm definitely not a Christian or a follower of the christianpost, could somebody's explain or put into words why* the website is so bullshit?

The same reason I wouldn't read a Daily Mail article about immigrants.


Well actually I would read that but only because guaranteed lulz
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I wouldn't actually be particularly surprised if a lack of a male/female influence on a child caused minor problems in development, but I don't trust the source.


+1
#19
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If people who are quite clearly just not well equipped to have kids, or even are simply bad parents, are allowed to have children, why should we say that any minor effect gender has really matters?

The problem you see, is that you're thinking about it the wrong way. Instead of debating the effects of different conditions on child development you need to start with gays are evil because jesus and then find evidence justifying that.
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I wouldn't actually be particularly surprised if a lack of a male/female influence on a child caused minor problems in development, but I don't trust the source.


Good point.
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The problem you see, is that you're thinking about it the wrong way. Instead of debating the effects of different conditions on child development you need to start with gays are evil because jesus and then find evidence justifying that.

Not even the article bothered with such a stupid point. In fact, calling gays themselves evil is a judgment, and the Bible specifically forbids judging people. (Although, yes, the Bible does call homosexuality a sin, that doesn't mean Christians are to judge gay people -- contrary to what many Christians think today.)
#22
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Yes, because the study was clearly done by the Christian Post too...

It doesn't need to be for there to be bias. I highly doubt they'll publish something that isn't backing up their beliefs, regardless of whether there is bias present in the study itself. Refusing to acknowledge opposing studies and their data in the articles published is a form of media bias.
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The article makes a point to say that children of a gay couple had lower high school graduation rates than a single hetero parent. So, in each case the child had an absence of either a male or female parent. So that would suggest either:

1) Something societal is causing the issues for children of gay parents
2) Gay people are inherently worse at parenting

I can't imagine it would be the 2nd option...
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#25
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Yes...because that's an apt comparison.

YOU calling someones post inapt, that's rich.
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The article makes a point to say that children of a gay couple had lower high school graduation rates than a single hetero parent. So, in each case the child had an absence of either a male or female parent. So that would suggest either:

1) Something societal is causing the issues for children of gay parents
2) Gay people are inherently worse at parenting

I can't imagine it would be the 2nd option...


3) The study is complete horsecrap.
#30
Even if this were a totally sound study by a reputable group of intellectuals, nobody would listen to it, anyway.
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#32
brb looking up this article's statistics to see how credible it is

Nevermind not on my school's databases and not free on Google scholar EVEN THOUGH I'M LOGGED IN!

But I'd guess there's something weird with either their sample size or the numbers they chose to test their data.
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Yes...because that's an apt comparison.


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#35
I've visited the journal and his personal website and I just can't seem to find his data, which is a bit odd.
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#36
Sure, gay parents are terrible.

But so are heterosexual parents, and immigrant parents, and native parents, and feminists with their sons, and fascists, and so on, so forth.
#37
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I wouldn't actually be particularly surprised if a lack of a male/female influence on a child caused minor problems in development, but I don't trust the source.

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#38
Nvm, its not the same study. Mah bad
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Nvm, its not the same study. Mah bad


My problem is that it is pretty standard to make your datasets publicly available when you publish something, and I can't seem to find anything.
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#40
I'm sure the Christian Post has already twisted whatever flimsy statistics they have to the absolute extreme, but even if this is the case, it's probably because they're getting so horrifically bullied by the kind of people who read this crap.
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