#1
Hi.

I'm writing an essay/project about amps of the future. My question is if the modulation amps are the amps of future and will they replace tube amps?

Recently I bought Fender Mustang 1 and I was quite impressed but I never tested it side by side with tube amps. I want to record 65 Twin reverb ri, 65 Princeton reverb ri and EC Champ and then compare the sound with Mustang.

Here's the pole: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1w-Tdmn7yVjm6kech7oXIqW6MpR9VPSWEho16pfF6JBM/viewform?pli=1&edit_requested=true
I'd appreciate if you could take a few seconds and answer the questions.

Does anyone have any suggestions or anything?

Thanks.
#2
A long time ago people thought solid state amps would replace tubes. That happened as much as modelling amps will replace them.
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Nope.
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#4
No, There will always be a place for Tube, Modeling and SS amps in various genre's of music.
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#5
In the studio maybe, but live a tube amp will probably sound better.
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#7
Quote by jeTTa02
Hi.

I'm writing an essay/project about amps of the future. My question is if the modulation amps are the amps of future and will they replace tube amps?


replace them? probably not.

will they get better take more of a share in the market place? probably. they have pretty much already done that.

Quote by jeTTa02
Recently I bought Fender Mustang 1 and I was quite impressed but I never tested it side by side with tube amps. I want to record 65 Twin reverb ri, 65 Princeton reverb ri and EC Champ and then compare the sound with Mustang.


recordings, while quite objective, won't tell the whole story of the differences between tube amps and amplifier modeling. modeling responds quite a bit differently than tube amps and changes how a player plays in response (at least it does with me anyway). i play much more dynamically with tube amps and i play much more flat with modeling (according to my analysis of my waveforms in my recordings)
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#8
I was going to happily fill your survey but your last question has two questions. The first question I say yes to, but the second I say no to. Therefore I cannot complete your questionnaire, sorry.
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I would say yes, definitely. Nowadays, listeners are more accustomed to hearing digital amps on records, and very accustomed to hearing real amps with an unbelievable amount of studio processing, which means that the tone a listener hears on a record will be impossible to recreate. It seems to me that digital processors such as the Ax Fx specialise in getting that overly processed studio tone that musicians and listeners have heard and perhaps fallen in love with when listening to modern records. I must say, I was actually completely underwhelmed when I first played a Mesa Dual Rectifier, as it sounded nothing like Emppu Vuorinen's tone, even when playing the same guitar, and it wasn't until I took it too the studio that I understood why it was the amp is was, and even listening to other amps like the Engl Powerball and Peavey 6505 leaves me completely underwhelmed, being a listener of modern Symphonic Metal. That, for me, has lead me to not want another amp, and instead, buy an Ax Fx when I have the money, as with technology like that, I don't see a point of having more than one valve amp.

Not only that, I think things are moving very quickly. I wasn't five years ago that I was playing into my computer with Pod Farm and hating every moment of it, and nowadays, free plugins are amazing quality, and the Ax Fx is almost indistinguishable from the real thing. In ten years, technology could really move forward, I don't think amps like Line 6 or Peavey Vypyrs will ever have a professional usage, but I really think that for modern music, in ten years, I'd be surprised if 5% of professional records used a real amp for recording.
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I was going to happily fill your survey but your last question has two questions. The first question I say yes to, but the second I say no to. Therefore I cannot complete your questionnaire, sorry.

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Quote by Lavatain
I was going to happily fill your survey but your last question has two questions. The first question I say yes to, but the second I say no to. Therefore I cannot complete your questionnaire, sorry.


+1

that last question is too weighted to be meaningful.

i still filled out the questionnaire, but i couldn't get my point across with the last question.
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#12
agree that in the studio that may be the case. I use a POD for most of my recording but that is more out of convenience and the lack of a proper room to record live amps in. it's nice to be able to plug in anytime an idea hits and test it out. live though won't use pod unless totally necessary. there is something magic about playing thru a good amp that so far can't be found in most modellers (not rich enough for x-fx)
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I would say yes, definitely. Nowadays, listeners are more accustomed to hearing digital amps on records, and very accustomed to hearing real amps with an unbelievable amount of studio processing, which means that the tone a listener hears on a record will be impossible to recreate. It seems to me that digital processors such as the Ax Fx specialise in getting that overly processed studio tone that musicians and listeners have heard and perhaps fallen in love with when listening to modern records. I must say, I was actually completely underwhelmed when I first played a Mesa Dual Rectifier, as it sounded nothing like Emppu Vuorinen's tone, even when playing the same guitar, and it wasn't until I took it too the studio that I understood why it was the amp is was, and even listening to other amps like the Engl Powerball and Peavey 6505 leaves me completely underwhelmed, being a listener of modern Symphonic Metal. That, for me, has lead me to not want another amp, and instead, buy an Ax Fx when I have the money, as with technology like that, I don't see a point of having more than one valve amp.

Not only that, I think things are moving very quickly. I wasn't five years ago that I was playing into my computer with Pod Farm and hating every moment of it, and nowadays, free plugins are amazing quality, and the Ax Fx is almost indistinguishable from the real thing. In ten years, technology could really move forward, I don't think amps like Line 6 or Peavey Vypyrs will ever have a professional usage, but I really think that for modern music, in ten years, I'd be surprised if 5% of professional records used a real amp for recording.
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#14
im not sure why everybody has a boner for axe-fx's. I live in nh and their HQ is not to far from where I live, I went there, and heard one tried right in front of me, just sounded fake, I wouldn't use it if somebody gave it to me, I saw what they used for internal parts as well. they were using soundblaster sound cards from a wayyyyy long time ago, not even near current models, which was suprising considering the money that thing costs, I really hope everybody does not start using modelers. takes the uniqueness away from having a certain amp. also all the amp companies would just start coming out with their own amp modelers. so you would pretty much just be trading 1 good tube amp for a collection of solid state rip offs
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Quote by NateCochrane93
im not sure why everybody has a boner for axe-fx's. I live in nh and their HQ is not to far from where I live, I went there, and heard one tried right in front of me, just sounded fake, I wouldn't use it if somebody gave it to me, I saw what they used for internal parts as well. they were using soundblaster sound cards from a wayyyyy long time ago, not even near current models, which was suprising considering the money that thing costs, I really hope everybody does not start using modelers. takes the uniqueness away from having a certain amp. also all the amp companies would just start coming out with their own amp modelers. so you would pretty much just be trading 1 good tube amp for a collection of solid state rip offs


that's why the big kids use UA.

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#17
Thanks for replies. The last question has subquestions for help and thanks for comments.
Since english is not my first language I made a mistake, I ment "modeling amps".

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#19
Don't most people who use an Axe-fx still play it through a tube power amp?
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Quote by NateCochrane93
im not sure why everybody has a boner for axe-fx's. I live in nh and their HQ is not to far from where I live, I went there, and heard one tried right in front of me, just sounded fake, I wouldn't use it if somebody gave it to me, I saw what they used for internal parts as well. they were using soundblaster sound cards from a wayyyyy long time ago, not even near current models, which was suprising considering the money that thing costs, I really hope everybody does not start using modelers. takes the uniqueness away from having a certain amp. also all the amp companies would just start coming out with their own amp modelers. so you would pretty much just be trading 1 good tube amp for a collection of solid state rip offs


Not sure by what you mean by the soundblaster comment. Axe Fx's use analog Devices TigerSharc DSP chips.

Lots of guys are using modelers, and have been for many years. A Perfect Circle, Nuno Bettencourt, Matt Bellamy, Jeff Beck used an old line 6 for one album, Michael Amott, Dave Mustaine, Marty Friedmann, Trivium, and the list goes on, and that short list includes Boss, Digitech, Fractal, and Kemper users.

Anyways, saying modelers are the amps of the future is like saying Strandbergs or Blackmachines are the guitars of the future. They will coexist, and hopefully innovate each other.
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#21
hmmm, well they might use them now, but im tellin ya, I saw with my own eyes that sounds card in the axe fx that was open and the box right next to it. maybe It was just that one for some reason, no ideaaaaa
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Quote by NateCochrane93
hmmm, well they might use them now, but im tellin ya, I saw with my own eyes that sounds card in the axe fx that was open and the box right next to it. maybe It was just that one for some reason, no ideaaaaa


They always used SHARC DSP's, in fact, same family as the ones in the Strymon pedals. They were probably using the soundblaster for the MIDI communication. they have their circuit boards made in the US, so I don't see why they would put a soundblaster card in there, lol!
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