#1
I am looking for a small tube amp for home recording and practicing along with songs.
the two amps I am looking at are the orange dark terror and blackstar ht 5 metal.

Orange Pros
15w/7w
effects loop
number or tubes it has
Orange cons
No record out

Blackstar Pros
More EQ adjustment
record out
styling

Cons
Only 5w


I can try both out at the same time but would like to know what people think of them as from videos i like the sound of both
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#2
number of tubes it has? I'm not sure i'd call that a pro, it costs more to replace them. that being said, far as i'm aware the blackstar is a hybrid so personally i'd call that a negative (for the blackstar).

I haven't tried either of them.
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#3
If you want an Orange tone get the Orange, because the Blackstar won’t get you there. If you want Marshall or Mesa sounds get the Blackstar. If you want all three get the Blackstar and a Tech 21 pedal that does Orange tones (which will probably still cost less than the Blackstar, especially if you can get the pedal used!).
#4
Have you checked the Jim Root Terror?

I'd chose it over both of them, though it resemles the dark terror a bit.
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Have you checked the Jim Root Terror?

I'd chose it over both of them, though it resemles the dark terror a bit.


+1
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#6
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Have you checked the Jim Root Terror?

I'd chose it over both of them, though it resemles the dark terror a bit.

OR15 is the best of them all.

Blackstar has shady business pracices. I would never buy from them
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OR15 is the best of them all.

Blackstar has shady business pracices. I would never buy from them


I don't consider outright lying "shady". Shady is like... they might be doing something immoral. Outright lying is like outright lying. **** 'em.
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I don't consider outright lying "shady". Shady is like... they might be doing something immoral. Outright lying is like outright lying. **** 'em.

do elaborate
#9
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do elaborate

Blackstar will not acknowledge they use SS components in the HT series when those amps are not tube, but hybrid in reality
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#10
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Blackstar will not acknowledge they use SS components in the HT series when those amps are not tube, but hybrid in reality

so the entire HT Metal series is hybrid for the price of a full tube amp?
Well aint that a ripoff
#11
IMO their prices are fine, their tech is fine - everything about them is fine, except that they are blatantly falsely advertising them.

There's nothing wrong with hybrid tech. It's a fantastic way to get quiet high gain tones at super low volumes.

But just be ****ing honest about it.

I guess tricking kids pays the bills.
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#12
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so the entire HT Metal series is hybrid for the price of a full tube amp?
Well aint that a ripoff

Yes it is
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#13
Quote by peavey6505+user
I am looking for a small tube amp for home recording

>Orange Pros
No record out

>Blackstar Pros
record out



I simplified your decision for you.


Let's not get caught up entirely in the tube debate. He wants affordabe high gain and bedroom volume and through headphones. Are tubes really the best answer here? (Rooster asked GG&A, of all places).
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#14
i don't know what they go for, but i wouldn't recommend anything other than the dual terror and the jim root model (the one with the RVB preamp).

i have the dual and, the second channel is where its at IMO. i personally do no see the single tone knob on the orange as a negative. it is kind of nice too because if you are playing one certain guitar, you know what you want as far as tone goes you don't have to re-EQ a guitar, just turn a knob (says the guy with a MKIV and sig: X wich have more functions out there than 90% of amps))

it is foot switchable which is convenient if you want a dirt into heavier metal very dirty.


BUT you either like Orange or hate it. seems to be what i hear.
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#15
^^ tube may well not be the best option for super-low volumes. it's up to him.

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IMO their prices are fine, their tech is fine - everything about them is fine, except that they are blatantly falsely advertising them.


agreed. or at least skating very, very close to that. they're very, very strongly implying they're tube. And don't correct magazine reviews and dealers when they claim they're tube. And even have, on occasion, claimed they were all-tube when people emailed them to ask about it.

It's not just we internet guitar nerds it annoys, too- this affects other guitar businesses, too. Matt found a thread recently on TGP where steve fryette (the guy who started VHT, he now sells the same amps under his own surname) was complaining about this too (he didn't name BS outright, but very strongly implied it was them... taste of their own medicine, lol), because he can't compete with similar products because the fact that BS is so much cheaper because they're not actually all-tube makes anything he makes which genuinely is all-tube look expensive.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#16
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^^ tube may well not be the best option for super-low volumes. it's up to him.


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+1tube may not be right, but my dual terror can preform quite well at low volume. I play it quite often at 3am and don't bother my wife.

But volume quite is subjective.

OP- go try some amps.
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#17
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OR15 is the best of them all.

I guess the terrors would be better, they are more metal.

The OR15 is more vintage voiced, it sounds better for hard rock than for metal to me.
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#18
Dont let the hybrid nature of Blackstar HT's bother you. Well, outside of Blackstars marketing schemes, they really are shady. But the amp is good and fits to your purpose for home playing and recording.

IMHO the Blackstar HT amps are one of the few "real" hybrid amps so to speak, as in they just dont put a single tube buffer somewhere in the signal path and advertise IT DOEZ T00B TOANZ (IE Marshall Valvestates and similar. They are really just solid states with a single useless tube there for marketing purposes) but it actually has tube gain stage(s). The tech is good, I just wish they would be more open and honest about it.

If it bothers you but you want the amp, buy used. Manufacturers generally hate it since they cant get a single dime out of used stuff markets.

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#19
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I guess the terrors would be better, they are more metal.

The OR15 is more vintage voiced, it sounds better for hard rock than for metal to me.

The OR 15 will do modern metal just fine. To me it is an improvement on the #4
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#20
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+1tube may not be right, but my dual terror can preform quite well at low volume. I play it quite often at 3am and don't bother my wife.

But volume quite is subjective.


yeah i like tube at the volumes i play at at home, but that might be louder than most people's idea of home volumes As you say, it's very subjective. A lot of the things that some people don't like about tube amps at low volumes don't seem to annoy me, either (fizz etc.), so that's worth bearing in mind, too.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#21
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I simplified your decision for you.
The record out on the HT-5 isn't fantastic (emulated outs never are). For home recording you might also be interested in modellers. Look into the POD HD or Eleven Rack...

I haven't taken a detailed look at the HT-5 schematic and I'm not sure there are any on the web for the HT-5 metal but I'm a firm believer that an amp shouldn't be knocked down just for being a hybrid. In fact, some aspects of tube amp design can benefit from solid state technology if you ask me (although, the HT-5 is loaded to the max with transistors).

In other words: False advertising maybe but buy an amp based on what it sounds like not what it's made of.
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#22
I had a Blackstar Ht5 & Ht 20 and found them both lacking massively imo in decent over driven tones I could just not get on with it no matter how I set the EQ up, (subjective ofcourse) I then traded the 20 for a dark terror and have never looked back since.Tone wise wipes the floor with the blackstar, though i cannot vouch for the metal version. only thing that the blackstar will do much better is clean tones, which for me matters little. In regards to volumes, I live with someone who really hates loud anything even if she enjoys the music and find that even at very low volumes the orange still sounds super sweet.

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