#1
I've been thinking about replacing my 6505+ head for the combo version of it (the 1x12) simply for the fact that I don't like the idea of always having to lug a cab around when I want to play. Understandably, I've heard it's a good idea to replace the speaker and I have an idea as to what I want to replace it with, but I want some opinions on whether or not this is a good idea. Will I still get relatively similar or the same tone from the combo as I do the head?
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#2
Don't do it! I say buy yourself a 2x12 or even 1x12 cab for it, recent got one myself, it's an absolute b*tch to carry anywhere whatsoever..actually planning on cutting my combo down into a head, and buying a 2x12 to run it with.

besides, the FX loop on the head version is better than on the combo. I've yet to notice this, but i've heard it from good sources. (UG people)
and who doesn't want more headroom?

EDIT:

i've also seen that people claim the tones are different, but i'd guess the consensus is that the head sounds better.
Last edited by ambler3 at Nov 5, 2013,
#3
Why not get a smaller cab, it will be cheaper. Get a 1x12 or 2x12 cab.

The 6505+ head sounds better than the 1x12 combo
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#4
The combo is almost 30kg which is still quite a handful when you have to move it around. It would actually be easier to move a head+112/212 setup since you don't have to move both of them together and each of them would be lighter than the combo.
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#5
Quote by Robbgnarly
Why not get a smaller cab, it will be cheaper. Get a 1x12 or 2x12 cab.

The 6505+ head sounds better than the 1x12 combo



Because I don't know of any 1x12's I could use with the head. The head is 120 watts. What 1x12 could I use?
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#6
Head and 2x12 is way easier than a 1x12 combo. 2x12's generally have side handles, so someone can help you with it. Then you can take a 2nd trip and get your head. With a 1x12 or 2x12 combo, not all of them have side handles (I don't believe the 6505+ 112 has them) so you're pretty much limited to awkwardly handling it whether on your own or with someone's help.
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#7
You could get a 1x12 with a V30 (60watts) and as long as you run it low you will be fine.

You can also pull the 2 inner or the 2 outer power tubes and drop the 6505+ to 60 watts. You need to run the ohms differently though. if it is a 16 ohm cab use the 8 ohm setting on the amp and if it is a 8 ohm cab use the 4 ohm setting. You will save power tubes also
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#8
I didn't know I could do that! That's awesome! Where are these tubs located? So if I take out the two outer power tubes, I can actually use a 60 watt 1x12? Will it still get plenty loud?
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#9
Quote by AsOneIStand
Because I don't know of any 1x12's I could use with the head. The head is 120 watts. What 1x12 could I use?


Krank 112's are usually 120 watts. They are pretty cheap 2nd hand too.
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#10
I did the opposite, cut my 112 into a head and made a 112 with a V30. The combo was huge and heavy
#11
Quote by AsOneIStand
I didn't know I could do that! That's awesome! Where are these tubs located? So if I take out the two outer power tubes, I can actually use a 60 watt 1x12? Will it still get plenty loud?

They are the big tubes in the back of the amp. Remove them by holding the base not the glass Pull them straight up.

It will still get loud, but it will also be manageable. You could play in a band with it setup this way.
Remember to pull either the 2 outer tubes or the 2 inner tubes.

+1 to the Krank 1x12's great cabs and usually <$150
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Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Last edited by Robbgnarly at Nov 5, 2013,
#12
Well I'm mainly using for home use. Would I still have the same tone though, because that's what I'm aiming for. Now I will say that I've been scoping orange 2x12's. Would this be a viable option?
Ibanez Art100 (DiMarzio Evo in bridge)
Epiphone Goldtop (SD Black Winters
6505+ Head
Avatar 2x12 (Eminence Gov/Swamp Thang)
#13
Quote by AsOneIStand
Well I'm mainly using for home use. Would I still have the same tone though, because that's what I'm aiming for. Now I will say that I've been scoping orange 2x12's. Would this be a viable option?

The tone will be almost unchanged, I doubt you'll notice anything. Yes an Orange 212or even 112 cab would work just fine
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Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#14
Use a g12k100 or the EV12L. Look around for the older Mesa wide body cabs that are 26" wide or so, but are 1x12's.
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#15
I suggest a nice 2x12. They are great and smaller so they take up less realestate in a van, room, trailer, stage whatever. Plus a good 2x12 can stay with you for a long long time and cover most jobs. I just think it is really the best way to go for most musicians, personally.
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#16
That the most stupid thing i've heard in a while, get a 2x12, srsly.
I had a combo, then i got the head. I will not play the combo ever again.
Last edited by Reages at Nov 5, 2013,
#17
I am using a 2x12 combo that weighs 40kg (90lb). Let me be the first to call you a bunch of pussies. Just use a trolley, dumbasses,
But setting the wussy weight concerns aside, keep the head and buy a nice closed back 2x12 cab to go with it.
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Last edited by Cathbard at Nov 5, 2013,
#18
Quote by Cathbard
I am using a 2x12 combo that weighs 40kg (90lb). Let me be the first to call you a bunch of pussies. Just use a trolley, dumbasses,
But setting the wussy weight concerns aside, keep the head and buy a nice closed back 2x12 cab to go with it.


Oh yah? My 1x12 combo weighs 90lbs.

All kidding aside, I prefer the head combo route so you can go closed back/convertible back panel. Also, I think most guitarists should have a decent cab by itself, this way, when GAS strikes, it's cheaper to get an amp head, lol!
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#19
I think you can tell if an amp is American by the fact that it weighs a friggin ton.
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#20
Quote by Cathbard
I am using a 2x12 combo that weighs 40kg (90lb). Let me be the first to call you a bunch of pussies. Just use a trolley, dumbasses,
But setting the wussy weight concerns aside, keep the head and buy a nice closed back 2x12 cab to go with it.



I never consider weight an issue. We lugg in two sub woofers for any shows where we run our own sound. I prefer 2x12 because they make travel easier, less space in the trailer, and we can keep our 4x12 1960a's nice and cozy in our practice space
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#21
Good man. The head's better for a few reasons and one of the big ones is that you can use a low noise JJ ECC803 in V1 in a head whereas they tend to be a bit too microphonic for use in a combo. It's a 6505, low noise is good; nay, necessary.
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